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  3. Today we're sharing the first in a series of three posts from our leadership team, starting with @mellifluousbox discussing our mission, and priorities for 2026.

Today we're sharing the first in a series of three posts from our leadership team, starting with @mellifluousbox discussing our mission, and priorities for 2026.

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  • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

    @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

    what do you think about my post above asking for a credit card?

    it achieves the same effect, and no one is getting a credit card without id. no server is getting your id and the security hassle with that, and you're not revealing your id anymore than it already has been

    the big benefit: with your cc already attached to your profile, donating to your server becomes a breeze. and more people should be doing that

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    LukefromDC
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    @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Some do not have or want credit cards and will simply use other servers.

    There is no way any regime can shut down access to every non-agr verification compliant server. Limits on federation woulf just split the fediverse into two networks which would inevitanly be bridged back together.

    FL cannot even stop Pornhub: they just block conmections from FL IP addresses and gladly take Tor and VPN traffic

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    • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

      @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic The PR only adds an option to ask age, not to use a 3ed party AI verificstion "service" or read an ID. By itsrlf that's a nothingburger but I would still turn it off legal or otherwise on any server I ran.

      Note that birthdays are dangerous in the hands of an atacker, so never enter your real one for any account anywhere. Let the account go if challenged

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      @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

      i yearly enjoy the services that sometimes say happy birthday to me...

      on the fake birthday i've been entering since forever

      🀭

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      • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

        @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

        No, I would attack the government and steer people to servers out of their reach. An admin hassled one too many times by cops might even need to move their own account to one if the cops go after their hosting

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        @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

        again that's all fine and good

        but if you're asking a server to shut down with thousands of accounts when people can just enter a fake birthday it's far too dramatic

        effective resistance is not about purity

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        • aria :blobcattrans:A aria :blobcattrans:

          @Mastodon @mellifluousbox If Mastodon implements age verification, we leave.

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          @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox There will ALWAYS be noncompliant servers run by people who never travel to the US , the EU, the UK, or Austrailai. Also ones run by crews who know how to obfuscate ownerahip and get offshore hosting.

          That's where you will also find me-on noncompliant servers

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          • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

            @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Some do not have or want credit cards and will simply use other servers.

            There is no way any regime can shut down access to every non-agr verification compliant server. Limits on federation woulf just split the fediverse into two networks which would inevitanly be bridged back together.

            FL cannot even stop Pornhub: they just block conmections from FL IP addresses and gladly take Tor and VPN traffic

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            @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

            you mean tor and VPN providers that spy on the people who use it because anyone using that it is flagging their activity as sensitive?

            tor was started at the us naval research laboratory for dissidents in countries unfriendly to the usa

            you think they don't have enough exit nodes to see what is going on?

            and mastodon needs support

            i'd almost (i said almost) support the idea of mandatory ccs on sign up with or without id laws

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            • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

              @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

              again that's all fine and good

              but if you're asking a server to shut down with thousands of accounts when people can just enter a fake birthday it's far too dramatic

              effective resistance is not about purity

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              @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron Some servers are much smaller and can provide their users wirh migration tips.

              This is what blackblogs.org did when running a US based anarchist wordpress hosting server got too dangerous: they shut doen, and steered people like myself to noblogs.org and other non-US alternatives, plus guides to moving content over. I didn't lose any content at all

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              • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron Some servers are much smaller and can provide their users wirh migration tips.

                This is what blackblogs.org did when running a US based anarchist wordpress hosting server got too dangerous: they shut doen, and steered people like myself to noblogs.org and other non-US alternatives, plus guides to moving content over. I didn't lose any content at all

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                @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                great

                would you characterize yourself as the average mastodon user? or more broadly, the average social media user?

                most people want to sign onto a server, browse, and post

                that's it

                you can't go after them for that, people don't have the bandwidth or time for the hassles

                and we can't become a tiny whisper of a cryptic fringe to adhere to some unnecessary purity test

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                • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                  @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                  you mean tor and VPN providers that spy on the people who use it because anyone using that it is flagging their activity as sensitive?

                  tor was started at the us naval research laboratory for dissidents in countries unfriendly to the usa

                  you think they don't have enough exit nodes to see what is going on?

                  and mastodon needs support

                  i'd almost (i said almost) support the idea of mandatory ccs on sign up with or without id laws

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                  @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic .onion access bypasses exit nodes enrirely. If Tor gets compromised dozens of nations find their intelligence services lose covert communication except by direct radio or sattelite. If civilian traffic is blocked or driven off, spy traffic then instantly stands out.

                  Too many armies need Tor to kill it

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                  • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                    @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic .onion access bypasses exit nodes enrirely. If Tor gets compromised dozens of nations find their intelligence services lose covert communication except by direct radio or sattelite. If civilian traffic is blocked or driven off, spy traffic then instantly stands out.

                    Too many armies need Tor to kill it

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                    @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                    .onion doesn't use exit nodes but it uses rendezvous nodes

                    and nobody wants to kill tor, the intelligence services love it

                    the foolishness is people who think something built by the us govt is perfectly anonymous

                    it *is* anonymous. to most every other entity

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                    • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                      @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                      great

                      would you characterize yourself as the average mastodon user? or more broadly, the average social media user?

                      most people want to sign onto a server, browse, and post

                      that's it

                      you can't go after them for that, people don't have the bandwidth or time for the hassles

                      and we can't become a tiny whisper of a cryptic fringe to adhere to some unnecessary purity test

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                      @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                      That means they will find servers that fit their needs, just as folks in my position find servers that fit our needs. Mastodon is NOT like Twitter or FB wirh a single server farm and one set of rules for all.

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                      • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                        @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                        That means they will find servers that fit their needs, just as folks in my position find servers that fit our needs. Mastodon is NOT like Twitter or FB wirh a single server farm and one set of rules for all.

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                        @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                        zero argument

                        and if you make the services you talk about user friendly enough that the average social media user can point and click and zero hassle, even better

                        until then, some servers are stuck in unfriendly districts

                        and that's not their fault

                        the govt is at fault

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                        • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                          @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                          .onion doesn't use exit nodes but it uses rendezvous nodes

                          and nobody wants to kill tor, the intelligence services love it

                          the foolishness is people who think something built by the us govt is perfectly anonymous

                          it *is* anonymous. to most every other entity

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                          @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Perfect security would require our own hardware down to our own fabs making our own silicon. Then we'd have to bridge a new protocol we own over clearnet on the model of the US Government's own SIPRNET classified comms network.

                          It's easy enough to tell who I am by my writing style. Things like Tor let my bypass censors more than hide who I am.

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                          • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                            @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Perfect security would require our own hardware down to our own fabs making our own silicon. Then we'd have to bridge a new protocol we own over clearnet on the model of the US Government's own SIPRNET classified comms network.

                            It's easy enough to tell who I am by my writing style. Things like Tor let my bypass censors more than hide who I am.

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                            @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                            understood

                            but we're now very far away from your average normie who just wants to see cat pictures

                            and that's where this topic truly lies

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                            • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                              @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                              understood

                              but we're now very far away from your average normie who just wants to see cat pictures

                              and that's where this topic truly lies

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                              @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Indeed so. Totally different needs and it goes both ways. An activist video server for instance could not handle doing 10x its bandwidth in cat videos, a server optimized for easy use to poat cat videos might not be safe going forward for posting videos of police brutality.

                              As different as a cruise ship and a destroyer, a Cessna and a Spitfire.

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                              • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                                @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Indeed so. Totally different needs and it goes both ways. An activist video server for instance could not handle doing 10x its bandwidth in cat videos, a server optimized for easy use to poat cat videos might not be safe going forward for posting videos of police brutality.

                                As different as a cruise ship and a destroyer, a Cessna and a Spitfire.

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                                @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                100%

                                and that's why we can't do purity tests on resistance

                                purity tests destroy effective resistance

                                effective resistance that isn't pure is not a betrayal

                                we resist how we can, in the ways we can

                                this isn't an argument against your words, i'm just harking back to the argument up higher

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                                • aria :blobcattrans:A aria :blobcattrans:

                                  @benroyce @starlily Have you ever heard of the idea of disobedience?

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                                  @ariarhythmic @benroyce @starlily Great, fascism will make good Mastodon instances have the same status as BitTorrent trackers and pirate streaming websites!

                                  Well, the tracker I used to contribute for is still up even today, thus we may think disobedience is fine, they will not go for small instances. On the other hand, it's a false correlation: one thing is Crunchyroll, Netflix and other companies choosing not to go against small groups because they may die out of just from not getting enough donations, other thing is fascist governments. They are already going against individuals, people fear ICE, as an example.

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                                  • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                                    @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                    i yearly enjoy the services that sometimes say happy birthday to me...

                                    on the fake birthday i've been entering since forever

                                    🀭

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                                    @benroyce @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic LOL, yes. I am so used to fake birthdays that I have to make an extra effort to enter the correct one if needed.

                                    I oopsied my birthday for an online plane ticket booking after 9/11. No issue. Got to fly as booked.

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                                    • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                                      @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                      100%

                                      and that's why we can't do purity tests on resistance

                                      purity tests destroy effective resistance

                                      effective resistance that isn't pure is not a betrayal

                                      we resist how we can, in the ways we can

                                      this isn't an argument against your words, i'm just harking back to the argument up higher

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                                      @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Back in the 2010 era, some DC animal rights activists discovered that selective use of "vegan purity testing" was a simple and effective way to drive out suspected undercover cops.

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                                      • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                                        @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Back in the 2010 era, some DC animal rights activists discovered that selective use of "vegan purity testing" was a simple and effective way to drive out suspected undercover cops.

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                                        @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                        well yeah

                                        and new gang recruits are asked to shoot someone in the head as they watch for much the same reason

                                        neither of which tell us much about the topic here

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                                        • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                                          @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

                                          the problem isn't mastodon it's your govt

                                          if mastodon servers don't implement age verification in those jurisdictions that make it law, those servers get shut down by that govt

                                          so you're blaming the wrong entity

                                          are you really asking servers to face legal punishment and then get shut down anyway?

                                          don't get me wrong: be angry

                                          *at your govt*

                                          not mastodon

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                                          @benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox No, they cannot get shut down by a government they're not operating under. If there's a threat, move legal operations & hosting out of the jurisdiction and obfuscate physical location of servers behind VPNs. Don't fucking comply.

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