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  3. Today we're sharing the first in a series of three posts from our leadership team, starting with @mellifluousbox discussing our mission, and priorities for 2026.

Today we're sharing the first in a series of three posts from our leadership team, starting with @mellifluousbox discussing our mission, and priorities for 2026.

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  • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

    @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Some do not have or want credit cards and will simply use other servers.

    There is no way any regime can shut down access to every non-agr verification compliant server. Limits on federation woulf just split the fediverse into two networks which would inevitanly be bridged back together.

    FL cannot even stop Pornhub: they just block conmections from FL IP addresses and gladly take Tor and VPN traffic

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    @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

    you mean tor and VPN providers that spy on the people who use it because anyone using that it is flagging their activity as sensitive?

    tor was started at the us naval research laboratory for dissidents in countries unfriendly to the usa

    you think they don't have enough exit nodes to see what is going on?

    and mastodon needs support

    i'd almost (i said almost) support the idea of mandatory ccs on sign up with or without id laws

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    • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

      @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

      again that's all fine and good

      but if you're asking a server to shut down with thousands of accounts when people can just enter a fake birthday it's far too dramatic

      effective resistance is not about purity

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      @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron Some servers are much smaller and can provide their users wirh migration tips.

      This is what blackblogs.org did when running a US based anarchist wordpress hosting server got too dangerous: they shut doen, and steered people like myself to noblogs.org and other non-US alternatives, plus guides to moving content over. I didn't lose any content at all

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      • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

        @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron Some servers are much smaller and can provide their users wirh migration tips.

        This is what blackblogs.org did when running a US based anarchist wordpress hosting server got too dangerous: they shut doen, and steered people like myself to noblogs.org and other non-US alternatives, plus guides to moving content over. I didn't lose any content at all

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        @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

        great

        would you characterize yourself as the average mastodon user? or more broadly, the average social media user?

        most people want to sign onto a server, browse, and post

        that's it

        you can't go after them for that, people don't have the bandwidth or time for the hassles

        and we can't become a tiny whisper of a cryptic fringe to adhere to some unnecessary purity test

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        • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

          @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

          you mean tor and VPN providers that spy on the people who use it because anyone using that it is flagging their activity as sensitive?

          tor was started at the us naval research laboratory for dissidents in countries unfriendly to the usa

          you think they don't have enough exit nodes to see what is going on?

          and mastodon needs support

          i'd almost (i said almost) support the idea of mandatory ccs on sign up with or without id laws

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          @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic .onion access bypasses exit nodes enrirely. If Tor gets compromised dozens of nations find their intelligence services lose covert communication except by direct radio or sattelite. If civilian traffic is blocked or driven off, spy traffic then instantly stands out.

          Too many armies need Tor to kill it

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          • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

            @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic .onion access bypasses exit nodes enrirely. If Tor gets compromised dozens of nations find their intelligence services lose covert communication except by direct radio or sattelite. If civilian traffic is blocked or driven off, spy traffic then instantly stands out.

            Too many armies need Tor to kill it

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            @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

            .onion doesn't use exit nodes but it uses rendezvous nodes

            and nobody wants to kill tor, the intelligence services love it

            the foolishness is people who think something built by the us govt is perfectly anonymous

            it *is* anonymous. to most every other entity

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            • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

              @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

              great

              would you characterize yourself as the average mastodon user? or more broadly, the average social media user?

              most people want to sign onto a server, browse, and post

              that's it

              you can't go after them for that, people don't have the bandwidth or time for the hassles

              and we can't become a tiny whisper of a cryptic fringe to adhere to some unnecessary purity test

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              @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

              That means they will find servers that fit their needs, just as folks in my position find servers that fit our needs. Mastodon is NOT like Twitter or FB wirh a single server farm and one set of rules for all.

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              • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                @benroyce @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                That means they will find servers that fit their needs, just as folks in my position find servers that fit our needs. Mastodon is NOT like Twitter or FB wirh a single server farm and one set of rules for all.

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                @LukefromDC @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic @mellifluousbox @Mastodon @MastodonEngineering @Gargron

                zero argument

                and if you make the services you talk about user friendly enough that the average social media user can point and click and zero hassle, even better

                until then, some servers are stuck in unfriendly districts

                and that's not their fault

                the govt is at fault

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                • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                  @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                  .onion doesn't use exit nodes but it uses rendezvous nodes

                  and nobody wants to kill tor, the intelligence services love it

                  the foolishness is people who think something built by the us govt is perfectly anonymous

                  it *is* anonymous. to most every other entity

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                  @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Perfect security would require our own hardware down to our own fabs making our own silicon. Then we'd have to bridge a new protocol we own over clearnet on the model of the US Government's own SIPRNET classified comms network.

                  It's easy enough to tell who I am by my writing style. Things like Tor let my bypass censors more than hide who I am.

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                  • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                    @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Perfect security would require our own hardware down to our own fabs making our own silicon. Then we'd have to bridge a new protocol we own over clearnet on the model of the US Government's own SIPRNET classified comms network.

                    It's easy enough to tell who I am by my writing style. Things like Tor let my bypass censors more than hide who I am.

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                    @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                    understood

                    but we're now very far away from your average normie who just wants to see cat pictures

                    and that's where this topic truly lies

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                    • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                      @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                      understood

                      but we're now very far away from your average normie who just wants to see cat pictures

                      and that's where this topic truly lies

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                      @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Indeed so. Totally different needs and it goes both ways. An activist video server for instance could not handle doing 10x its bandwidth in cat videos, a server optimized for easy use to poat cat videos might not be safe going forward for posting videos of police brutality.

                      As different as a cruise ship and a destroyer, a Cessna and a Spitfire.

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                      • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                        @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Indeed so. Totally different needs and it goes both ways. An activist video server for instance could not handle doing 10x its bandwidth in cat videos, a server optimized for easy use to poat cat videos might not be safe going forward for posting videos of police brutality.

                        As different as a cruise ship and a destroyer, a Cessna and a Spitfire.

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                        @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                        100%

                        and that's why we can't do purity tests on resistance

                        purity tests destroy effective resistance

                        effective resistance that isn't pure is not a betrayal

                        we resist how we can, in the ways we can

                        this isn't an argument against your words, i'm just harking back to the argument up higher

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                        • aria :blobcattrans:A aria :blobcattrans:

                          @benroyce @starlily Have you ever heard of the idea of disobedience?

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                          @ariarhythmic @benroyce @starlily Great, fascism will make good Mastodon instances have the same status as BitTorrent trackers and pirate streaming websites!

                          Well, the tracker I used to contribute for is still up even today, thus we may think disobedience is fine, they will not go for small instances. On the other hand, it's a false correlation: one thing is Crunchyroll, Netflix and other companies choosing not to go against small groups because they may die out of just from not getting enough donations, other thing is fascist governments. They are already going against individuals, people fear ICE, as an example.

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                          • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                            @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                            i yearly enjoy the services that sometimes say happy birthday to me...

                            on the fake birthday i've been entering since forever

                            🀭

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                            @benroyce @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic LOL, yes. I am so used to fake birthdays that I have to make an extra effort to enter the correct one if needed.

                            I oopsied my birthday for an online plane ticket booking after 9/11. No issue. Got to fly as booked.

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                            • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                              @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                              100%

                              and that's why we can't do purity tests on resistance

                              purity tests destroy effective resistance

                              effective resistance that isn't pure is not a betrayal

                              we resist how we can, in the ways we can

                              this isn't an argument against your words, i'm just harking back to the argument up higher

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                              @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Back in the 2010 era, some DC animal rights activists discovered that selective use of "vegan purity testing" was a simple and effective way to drive out suspected undercover cops.

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                              • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                                @benroyce @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic Back in the 2010 era, some DC animal rights activists discovered that selective use of "vegan purity testing" was a simple and effective way to drive out suspected undercover cops.

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                                @LukefromDC @mark @nitrml @meowki @iju @ariarhythmic

                                well yeah

                                and new gang recruits are asked to shoot someone in the head as they watch for much the same reason

                                neither of which tell us much about the topic here

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                                • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                                  @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

                                  the problem isn't mastodon it's your govt

                                  if mastodon servers don't implement age verification in those jurisdictions that make it law, those servers get shut down by that govt

                                  so you're blaming the wrong entity

                                  are you really asking servers to face legal punishment and then get shut down anyway?

                                  don't get me wrong: be angry

                                  *at your govt*

                                  not mastodon

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                                  @benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox No, they cannot get shut down by a government they're not operating under. If there's a threat, move legal operations & hosting out of the jurisdiction and obfuscate physical location of servers behind VPNs. Don't fucking comply.

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                                  • CassandrichD Cassandrich

                                    @benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox No, they cannot get shut down by a government they're not operating under. If there's a threat, move legal operations & hosting out of the jurisdiction and obfuscate physical location of servers behind VPNs. Don't fucking comply.

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                                    @dalias @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

                                    that's not really true

                                    for many countries you have to follow the laws of *both* your home country and the country where your server resides

                                    of course that's not true for all countries

                                    but if let's say you're a citizen of the germany and your server is hosted in another country, germany just goes after you, it doesn't care

                                    "obfuscate physical location of servers behind VPNs"

                                    no. that's no protection

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                                    • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                                      @dalias @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

                                      that's not really true

                                      for many countries you have to follow the laws of *both* your home country and the country where your server resides

                                      of course that's not true for all countries

                                      but if let's say you're a citizen of the germany and your server is hosted in another country, germany just goes after you, it doesn't care

                                      "obfuscate physical location of servers behind VPNs"

                                      no. that's no protection

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                                      @benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox None of that contradicts what I said. You don't run it as a citizen or resident of the hostile jurisdiction. You pass ownership to an entity in a safe location, and you put the fronting IP in a safe location. Physical servers can be somewhere else, but shouldn't be somewhere under the hostile jurisdiction unless you're confident there's no trail to them.

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                                        @benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox None of that contradicts what I said. You don't run it as a citizen or resident of the hostile jurisdiction. You pass ownership to an entity in a safe location, and you put the fronting IP in a safe location. Physical servers can be somewhere else, but shouldn't be somewhere under the hostile jurisdiction unless you're confident there's no trail to them.

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                                        @dalias @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

                                        if you're already in a safe jurisdiction, yes, get your servers out of a bad jurisdiction, absolutely

                                        but if you're in an unsafe jurisdiction, it doesn't matter where your servers are. if they want to target you, they'll target you, and no amount of obfuscation will protect you from that

                                        of course if you're a small fish doing small fish things, you'll probably be fine for a long time

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                                        • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                                          @dalias @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox

                                          if you're already in a safe jurisdiction, yes, get your servers out of a bad jurisdiction, absolutely

                                          but if you're in an unsafe jurisdiction, it doesn't matter where your servers are. if they want to target you, they'll target you, and no amount of obfuscation will protect you from that

                                          of course if you're a small fish doing small fish things, you'll probably be fine for a long time

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                                          @benroyce @ariarhythmic @Mastodon @mellifluousbox You just make it so it's no longer you running it. It's been passed off to an entity legally incorporated someplace else, and your involvement is as a volunteer or contractor working with a foreign entity for which you have no authority to implement the type of "age verification" your government wants them to impose.

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