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  • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

    drama!

    i need to rant about #ContentWarning creep

    i posted once of a Ukrainian reporter whose corpse was abused by Russia. i got calls for #CW. no pictures, no text details, just a link to a story

    i suspect some CW calls are a manipulation to hide fascist abuse

    certainly some are sincere

    but they aren't serving a valid goal. an extreme level of sensitivity is absurd and unactionable

    gore? absolutely CW

    but some calls serve #fascism by hiding abuse. abuse we rightfully need to broadcast

    Jenica LakeM This user is from outside of this forum
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    #25

    @benroyce I think there is nuance here around where we go for news. Some people come to fedi just to play with their friends, they receive their news from other places and share links with friends and family via signal. Sharing something without a content warning because "everyone needs to see this" implies that everyone isn't already reading the news in other places, putting us a savior/beacon for distributing news that is readily available everywhere. We are aware of the horrors, very very very aware, we are building momentum of revolution. And sometimes we just need a breather from the horrors because the horrors invade every single point of our lives. I do post about #uspol because I want to be a part of the conversations and I want to find other people who align in the revolution. Fighting over how we disseminate information is not going to bring more people to greater awareness. We also need spaces of softness and whimsy to keep us grounded in the tender possibilities of what CAN be built when we aren't lost in the madness of it all.

    Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Alex PsmithA Jenica LakeM 3 Replies Last reply
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    • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

      @raccoon

      no you're not going off topic, appropriate hashtagging is absolutely necessary for this grey zone

      Trash PandaR This user is from outside of this forum
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      wrote last edited by
      #26

      @benroyce@mastodon.social
      ​​
      I've been saying it for a while but it's not something people hear me out about and often tell me it's not the way to go.
      It's refreshing to find someone who agrees with me on this.

      Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B 1 Reply Last reply
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      • Jenica LakeM Jenica Lake

        @benroyce I think there is nuance here around where we go for news. Some people come to fedi just to play with their friends, they receive their news from other places and share links with friends and family via signal. Sharing something without a content warning because "everyone needs to see this" implies that everyone isn't already reading the news in other places, putting us a savior/beacon for distributing news that is readily available everywhere. We are aware of the horrors, very very very aware, we are building momentum of revolution. And sometimes we just need a breather from the horrors because the horrors invade every single point of our lives. I do post about #uspol because I want to be a part of the conversations and I want to find other people who align in the revolution. Fighting over how we disseminate information is not going to bring more people to greater awareness. We also need spaces of softness and whimsy to keep us grounded in the tender possibilities of what CAN be built when we aren't lost in the madness of it all.

        Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B This user is from outside of this forum
        Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B This user is from outside of this forum
        Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©
        wrote last edited by
        #27

        @MamaLake

        that is very well said

        i would respond that the mode of how we use social media or mastodon as you describe is valid, but you're not describing the only valid approach

        and the solution to that is unfollowing/ blocking those accounts that stand very far away from your own intent in such a way it impedes your enjoyment

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        • Trash PandaR Trash Panda

          @benroyce@mastodon.social
          ​​
          I've been saying it for a while but it's not something people hear me out about and often tell me it's not the way to go.
          It's refreshing to find someone who agrees with me on this.

          Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B This user is from outside of this forum
          Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B This user is from outside of this forum
          Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©
          wrote last edited by
          #28

          @raccoon

          πŸ™Œ

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          • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

            @crow

            there's more CW topics than just gore and porn

            strobe effects are not good for people with certain seizure conditions for example

            do we censor a picture of a creepy spider? 🀷

            and if some people want to content warn *their* posts on levels of sensitivity you and i might consider absurd: that's ok, it's their post, their choice

            where i step in and speak out though is when people gatekeep other posters on content that is not straight gore or porn or the other serious niche topics

            Mastodon MigrationM This user is from outside of this forum
            Mastodon MigrationM This user is from outside of this forum
            Mastodon Migration
            wrote last edited by
            #29

            @benroyce @crow

            Generally, this falls into the HOA category that puts people off Mastodon.

            If you don't like the way someone else uses Mastodon you should block them. Then you will never see their transgressions. It is not your job to tell people how to use Mastodon, nor is it appreciated.

            Exceptions include things which violate the server's rules. Then you should block them and report them.

            It's very simple.

            Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B 1 Reply Last reply
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            • Jenica LakeM Jenica Lake

              @benroyce I think there is nuance here around where we go for news. Some people come to fedi just to play with their friends, they receive their news from other places and share links with friends and family via signal. Sharing something without a content warning because "everyone needs to see this" implies that everyone isn't already reading the news in other places, putting us a savior/beacon for distributing news that is readily available everywhere. We are aware of the horrors, very very very aware, we are building momentum of revolution. And sometimes we just need a breather from the horrors because the horrors invade every single point of our lives. I do post about #uspol because I want to be a part of the conversations and I want to find other people who align in the revolution. Fighting over how we disseminate information is not going to bring more people to greater awareness. We also need spaces of softness and whimsy to keep us grounded in the tender possibilities of what CAN be built when we aren't lost in the madness of it all.

              Alex PsmithA This user is from outside of this forum
              Alex PsmithA This user is from outside of this forum
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              wrote last edited by
              #30

              @MamaLake No one owes anyone a CW. Those are up to the user, and it is the responsibility of the viewer to decide how they will react or respond.

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              • Mastodon MigrationM Mastodon Migration

                @benroyce @crow

                Generally, this falls into the HOA category that puts people off Mastodon.

                If you don't like the way someone else uses Mastodon you should block them. Then you will never see their transgressions. It is not your job to tell people how to use Mastodon, nor is it appreciated.

                Exceptions include things which violate the server's rules. Then you should block them and report them.

                It's very simple.

                Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B This user is from outside of this forum
                Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B This user is from outside of this forum
                Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©
                wrote last edited by
                #31

                @mastodonmigration @crow

                yeah

                busy body controlling types ruin mastodon

                they don't understand how toxic they are and how much they work against true community, exactly as they use the lying conceit of "concern for community" to gatekeep, gatekeep, gatekeep

                1. unfollow

                2. mute

                3. block

                4. report

                in that order

                that's the solution

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                • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                  drama!

                  i need to rant about #ContentWarning creep

                  i posted once of a Ukrainian reporter whose corpse was abused by Russia. i got calls for #CW. no pictures, no text details, just a link to a story

                  i suspect some CW calls are a manipulation to hide fascist abuse

                  certainly some are sincere

                  but they aren't serving a valid goal. an extreme level of sensitivity is absurd and unactionable

                  gore? absolutely CW

                  but some calls serve #fascism by hiding abuse. abuse we rightfully need to broadcast

                  Alex PsmithA This user is from outside of this forum
                  Alex PsmithA This user is from outside of this forum
                  Alex Psmith
                  wrote last edited by
                  #32

                  @benroyce Man, I am sick to death of people trying to enforce CWs. Responsible adults do NOT expect others to placate their sensibilities/fears/etc.

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                  • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                    @mastodonmigration @crow

                    yeah

                    busy body controlling types ruin mastodon

                    they don't understand how toxic they are and how much they work against true community, exactly as they use the lying conceit of "concern for community" to gatekeep, gatekeep, gatekeep

                    1. unfollow

                    2. mute

                    3. block

                    4. report

                    in that order

                    that's the solution

                    Mastodon MigrationM This user is from outside of this forum
                    Mastodon MigrationM This user is from outside of this forum
                    Mastodon Migration
                    wrote last edited by
                    #33

                    @benroyce @crow

                    The simple response is to block them. If someone tries to tell you how to use Mastodon just block them.

                    Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B CaliCarolJ 2 Replies Last reply
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                    • Mastodon MigrationM Mastodon Migration

                      @benroyce @crow

                      The simple response is to block them. If someone tries to tell you how to use Mastodon just block them.

                      Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B This user is from outside of this forum
                      Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B This user is from outside of this forum
                      Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©
                      wrote last edited by
                      #34

                      @mastodonmigration @crow

                      can i argue with them? please? πŸ˜‚

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                      • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                        @mastodonmigration @crow

                        can i argue with them? please? πŸ˜‚

                        Mastodon MigrationM This user is from outside of this forum
                        Mastodon MigrationM This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #35

                        @benroyce @crow

                        You can do anything you want as long as it doesn't violate your server's rules.

                        Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B 1 Reply Last reply
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                        • Jenica LakeM Jenica Lake

                          @benroyce I think there is nuance here around where we go for news. Some people come to fedi just to play with their friends, they receive their news from other places and share links with friends and family via signal. Sharing something without a content warning because "everyone needs to see this" implies that everyone isn't already reading the news in other places, putting us a savior/beacon for distributing news that is readily available everywhere. We are aware of the horrors, very very very aware, we are building momentum of revolution. And sometimes we just need a breather from the horrors because the horrors invade every single point of our lives. I do post about #uspol because I want to be a part of the conversations and I want to find other people who align in the revolution. Fighting over how we disseminate information is not going to bring more people to greater awareness. We also need spaces of softness and whimsy to keep us grounded in the tender possibilities of what CAN be built when we aren't lost in the madness of it all.

                          Jenica LakeM This user is from outside of this forum
                          Jenica LakeM This user is from outside of this forum
                          Jenica Lake
                          wrote last edited by
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                          @benroyce we have the freedom to post exactly as we want to AND we have the freedom to block posters that don't bring value (value defined beyond money) into our worlds.

                          I got into an internet fight with an economics journalist because he was antagonizing people about content warnings and how no one would see his posts if he used content warnings. Which makes me wonder how good a journalist is if he can't write a headline on a CW that would create appropriate engagement. A CW header doesn't just have to list all of the triggering items, it can be used just like a headline.

                          Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B 1 Reply Last reply
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                          • Mastodon MigrationM Mastodon Migration

                            @benroyce @crow

                            You can do anything you want as long as it doesn't violate your server's rules.

                            Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B This user is from outside of this forum
                            Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B This user is from outside of this forum
                            Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©
                            wrote last edited by
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                            @mastodonmigration @crow

                            don't tell me what to do!

                            (i'm sorry, i'm agreeing with you completely and feeling the need to joke lamely)

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                            • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                              @crow

                              there's more CW topics than just gore and porn

                              strobe effects are not good for people with certain seizure conditions for example

                              do we censor a picture of a creepy spider? 🀷

                              and if some people want to content warn *their* posts on levels of sensitivity you and i might consider absurd: that's ok, it's their post, their choice

                              where i step in and speak out though is when people gatekeep other posters on content that is not straight gore or porn or the other serious niche topics

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                              wrote last edited by
                              #38

                              @benroyce @crow i think there is a significant and unjustified shifting of blame going on when people say that normal posts have 'caused' panic attacks, nightmares, and so on.

                              non-extreme posts are not the primary cause of mental health tailspins. a picture of a sandwich does not 'cause' someone to spiral into an eating disorder relapse. if something so innocuous sets that person off, they were already on the brink, and it's unfair to blame the sandwich poster for severe mental health issues that were actually caused by something else.

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                              • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                                @mastodonmigration @crow

                                don't tell me what to do!

                                (i'm sorry, i'm agreeing with you completely and feeling the need to joke lamely)

                                Mastodon MigrationM This user is from outside of this forum
                                Mastodon MigrationM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                wrote last edited by
                                #39

                                @benroyce @crow

                                🀷

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                                • ig πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆI ig πŸ³οΈβ€πŸŒˆ

                                  @benroyce @crow i think there is a significant and unjustified shifting of blame going on when people say that normal posts have 'caused' panic attacks, nightmares, and so on.

                                  non-extreme posts are not the primary cause of mental health tailspins. a picture of a sandwich does not 'cause' someone to spiral into an eating disorder relapse. if something so innocuous sets that person off, they were already on the brink, and it's unfair to blame the sandwich poster for severe mental health issues that were actually caused by something else.

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                                  Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©
                                  wrote last edited by
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                                  @ignova @crow

                                  exactly. there is a range of normal posts and what people consider that to be obviously has large grey areas

                                  but then there are also some demands for care and concern that are so absurd and extreme it is not possible for anyone well intentioned and sincere to even remotely adhere to them

                                  some people just want a giant CW on every single post in existence apparently

                                  or rather, they are controlling busybodies who get off on gatekeeping

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                                  • Mastodon MigrationM Mastodon Migration

                                    @benroyce @crow

                                    The simple response is to block them. If someone tries to tell you how to use Mastodon just block them.

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                                    @mastodonmigration @benroyce @crow

                                    OK sure. But new folks who join the platform - especially when they come from wild west sites like twitter - need to be socialized to the mores here. And without a gentle comment, how are they supposed to learn those rules? Blocking without comment doesn't help anyone.

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                                    • Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©B Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©

                                      @ignova @crow

                                      exactly. there is a range of normal posts and what people consider that to be obviously has large grey areas

                                      but then there are also some demands for care and concern that are so absurd and extreme it is not possible for anyone well intentioned and sincere to even remotely adhere to them

                                      some people just want a giant CW on every single post in existence apparently

                                      or rather, they are controlling busybodies who get off on gatekeeping

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                                      M.S. Bellows, Jr.
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #42

                                      @benroyce @ignova @crow Because I can't guess everything some random person might find troubling or offensive, I just put the full text of every post in a content warning so folks can decide for themselves whether to open and read it.

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                                      • CaliCarolJ CaliCarol

                                        @mastodonmigration @benroyce @crow

                                        OK sure. But new folks who join the platform - especially when they come from wild west sites like twitter - need to be socialized to the mores here. And without a gentle comment, how are they supposed to learn those rules? Blocking without comment doesn't help anyone.

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                                        Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©
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                                        @jawarajabbi @mastodonmigration @crow

                                        i think you're conflating two different things

                                        a gentle reminder they aren't on twitter anymore isn't anything remotely like "could you CW this content that might trigger according to some absurd level of concern, perhaps even a fake contrived concern just so i get to busy body gatekeep"

                                        in fact the latter only makes new accounts go "what they fuck is wrong with this place" rather than learning any sort of mastodon ethos

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                                        • M.S. Bellows, Jr.M M.S. Bellows, Jr.

                                          @benroyce @ignova @crow Because I can't guess everything some random person might find troubling or offensive, I just put the full text of every post in a content warning so folks can decide for themselves whether to open and read it.

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                                          Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©
                                          wrote last edited by
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                                          @msbellows @ignova @crow

                                          i see what you're saying. double the text, double the bandwidth. make mastodon traffic look huge! (/s)

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