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  3. When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

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  • Nicole ParsonsN Nicole Parsons

    @randahl

    https://united24media.com/latest-news/this-is-why-russia-cant-afford-to-stall-talks-what-ukraine-is-getting-in-2026-14714

    What's even more disgraceful is how Ukraine is being used to test the next generation of weapons for WW3.

    They aren't guinea pigs in a lab.

    1. Trump's billionaires profiting from a disunited EU
    https://www.desmog.com/2025/03/14/heritage-foundation-project-2025-allies-mcc-ordo-iuris-discuss-dismantling-the-eu-european-union/

    https://english.elpais.com/international/2025-06-14/the-great-reset-the-far-rights-detailed-plan-to-dismantle-the-eu.html

    https://www.politico.eu/article/polish-ex-president-lands-role-us-project-2025-think-tank-andrzej-duda/

    https://archive.ph/EzScy

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/31/magazine/ukraine-ai-drones-war-russia.html

    https://tech.eu/2025/08/21/stark-raises-62m-for-weaponised-drone-systems-backed-by-sequoia-and-peter-thiel/

    https://wesodonnell.medium.com/nato-nations-line-up-to-buy-ukrainian-weapon-systems-d47389e24c87

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_war

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/intelligence-agencies-suspect-russia-is-developing-anti-satellite-weapon-to-target-starlink-service

    1/

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    2/
    Yes, the fossil fuel industry is preparing for world war to keep its hegemony.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2025/05/13/trump-tech-execs-riyadh/

    2. Hybrid Warfare, cyber wars
    https://techcrunch.com/2026/01/30/russian-hackers-breached-polish-power-grid-thanks-to-bad-security-report-says/

    https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/cyberattack-on-polish-energy-grid-impacted-around-30-facilities/

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/article/2024/jul/14/ais-oppenheimer-moment-autonomous-weapons-enter-the-battlefield

    3. Disinformation & firehosing using social media
    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/04/technology/google-meta-openai-military-war.html

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/1/16/20991816/impeachment-trial-trump-bannon-misinformation

    4. A survivable nuclear war?

    https://archive.ph/weirB
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/12/09/opinion/editorials/us-china-military-ai-tech.html
    https://quincyinst.org/research/profits-of-war-top-beneficiaries-of-pentagon-spending-2020-2024/

    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/2026/01/german-militarism-european-security/684951/

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    • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

      When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

      Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU and 69 million UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

      We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

      I find that profoundly shameful.

      Dave ๐ŸถC This user is from outside of this forum
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      wrote last edited by
      #14

      @randahl The problem is that other nations' leaders either believed Putin's threats about escalation "if NATO joined", and/or they feared internal political detriment if their nation's soldiers were killed.

      We don't have leaders, we have politicians.

      Although it probably would have only taken one other nation to commit troops for all others to quickly go "oh, yes, we will too" - but since no one did take that step.

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      • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

        When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

        Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU and 69 million UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

        We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

        I find that profoundly shameful.

        Alfa5A This user is from outside of this forum
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        @randahl Ucrania y luego ha llegado Mr. Trump y la geopolรญtica mundial ha cambiado radilcamente. La guerra de Putin contra Ucrania pasรณ a ser una guerra de tanques y se ha convertido en una guerra de drones y puso sobre la mesa las debilidades de Europa mรกs allรก de su mรบsculo econรณmico.
        La UE necesita nuevos actores polรญticos, el pueblo ruso debe hacรฉrselo mirar y los aliados de Rusia como Irรกn, China e India no han contribuรญdo mucho.
        Han pasado muchas cosas desde el comienzo de la guerra ...

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        • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

          When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

          Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU and 69 million UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

          We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

          I find that profoundly shameful.

          caravantravellers ๐ŸŒˆC This user is from outside of this forum
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          caravantravellers ๐ŸŒˆ
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          #16

          @randahl

          30 sanction packages should have been one, a comprehensive one. And Russian shadow fleet ships can still pass by Denmark into the North Sea.

          What a shame!

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          • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

            When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

            Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU and 69 million UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

            We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

            I find that profoundly shameful.

            sองbอซฬดฦธฬดgอฌแต‰S This user is from outside of this forum
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            #17

            @randahl If I look at this in the only area I have any expertise, itโ€™s clear that Europeโ€™s war machine doesnโ€™t run without US tech.

            And currently, the US is significantly puppeteered by rus interests in this thing, it seems to me?

            Not a good technical base to stand on, confronting the rus.

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            • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

              When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

              Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU and 69 million UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

              We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

              I find that profoundly shameful.

              RavongesR This user is from outside of this forum
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              #18

              @randahl Alright. Let's just attack Russia and hope we don't see 5.000 nukes falling from the sky. That sounds like an amazing idea.

              Actually, why don't we just end ourselves and spare the Russians the trouble.

              Ben Royce ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฉB kฮ”K 2 Replies Last reply
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              • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

                Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU and 69 million UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

                We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

                I find that profoundly shameful.

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                @randahl The World is currently playing Putin's War. On his terms.

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                • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                  When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

                  Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU and 69 million UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

                  We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

                  I find that profoundly shameful.

                  Ag. V.A This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #20

                  @randahl you know how we could have already ended this war? Not giving the 2014 coup d'etat, sponsored by the US and the EU. That would have created 0 wars. Now you want the European citizenship to support a war created by some criminals in our name by giving the power in Ukraine to their worst nationalistic fascists? No, I don't think so. Go fight yourself.

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                  • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                    When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

                    Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU and 69 million UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

                    We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

                    I find that profoundly shameful.

                    Harold SmithM This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #21

                    @randahl how can we? And why, esp. UK and USA, didn't we at the very beginning of the war, when Russia and Ukraine were leading the according talks pretty successfully themselves?

                    https://netzclash.wordpress.com/2025/10/07/brauchen-wir-eine-wehrpflicht/

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                    • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                      When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

                      Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU and 69 million UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

                      We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

                      I find that profoundly shameful.

                      Berna van VilsterenB This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #22

                      @randahl Couldn't agree more! Let the people of Ukraine suffer so we can do business as usual :-((and EU leaders still dare to call that solidarity.)

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                      • Ag. V.A Ag. V.

                        @randahl you know how we could have already ended this war? Not giving the 2014 coup d'etat, sponsored by the US and the EU. That would have created 0 wars. Now you want the European citizenship to support a war created by some criminals in our name by giving the power in Ukraine to their worst nationalistic fascists? No, I don't think so. Go fight yourself.

                        Ben Royce ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฉB This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @aguVV @randahl

                        so the ukrainian people rose up in 2014 of their own accord

                        it was not mind control from the CIA that made ukrainians rise up

                        and now today they fight with their lives to remain free of russia. again, of their own accord

                        do you imagine they fight now because of CIA mind control?

                        ๐Ÿคช

                        do you have any respect for the ukrainian people at all?

                        no you don't

                        you're a liar pushing weak kremlin disinfo or you're an idiot with a tiny head full of kremlin disinfo

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                        • Ben Royce ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฉB Ben Royce ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฉ

                          @aguVV @randahl

                          so the ukrainian people rose up in 2014 of their own accord

                          it was not mind control from the CIA that made ukrainians rise up

                          and now today they fight with their lives to remain free of russia. again, of their own accord

                          do you imagine they fight now because of CIA mind control?

                          ๐Ÿคช

                          do you have any respect for the ukrainian people at all?

                          no you don't

                          you're a liar pushing weak kremlin disinfo or you're an idiot with a tiny head full of kremlin disinfo

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                          @benroyce @randahl ah, 'the Ukrainian people rose up on their own'? Really? Surely foreign intelligence agencies had nothing to do with it, just like in all Arab countries at that time, Egypt, Syria, now Iran.. Yeah, you really live in the Teletubbies world.

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                          • RavongesR Ravonges

                            @randahl Alright. Let's just attack Russia and hope we don't see 5.000 nukes falling from the sky. That sounds like an amazing idea.

                            Actually, why don't we just end ourselves and spare the Russians the trouble.

                            Ben Royce ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฉB This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @Ravonges @randahl

                            if russia nukes europe moscow ceases to exist in an equivalent nuclear hellfire. so russia won't nuke europe

                            and europeans aren't just going to end themselves as you wish, vatnik

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                            • Ag. V.A Ag. V.

                              @benroyce @randahl ah, 'the Ukrainian people rose up on their own'? Really? Surely foreign intelligence agencies had nothing to do with it, just like in all Arab countries at that time, Egypt, Syria, now Iran.. Yeah, you really live in the Teletubbies world.

                              Ben Royce ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฉB This user is from outside of this forum
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                              wrote last edited by
                              #26

                              @aguVV @randahl

                              in the arab spring as well the people rose up on their own

                              you're the one living in a teletubbies world where they push magic buttons at CIA hq and then magically thousands, millions of people suddenly desire to be free of sick feeble autocratic corrupt govts

                              it's not possible that the people living in those countries, all on their very own, don't like their govts? that's a crazy idea to you?

                              ๐Ÿ˜‚

                              why are you so dumb?

                              why do you believe stupid weak kremlin lies?

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                              • Ag. V.A Ag. V.

                                @benroyce @randahl ah, 'the Ukrainian people rose up on their own'? Really? Surely foreign intelligence agencies had nothing to do with it, just like in all Arab countries at that time, Egypt, Syria, now Iran.. Yeah, you really live in the Teletubbies world.

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                                #27

                                @benroyce @randahl if you are able to remember what happened in that year 2014, although I seriously doubt your intellectual capacity, there was a parallel similar movement both in Ukraine and in Egypt, where 'the people rose up' (xD). There was a coup d'etat in both countries, in Ukraine against a pro-Russian guy, after whom Ukrainian nationalistic took power, began the war in the Donbass against pro-Russian regions and perpetrated the Odessa massacre; while in Egypt there was elections which gave place to the Muslim Brothers rule. The first ones were supported by the Western powers, while the second ones weren't and suffered another coup d'etat by their military who have been ruling ever since.

                                Then Egypt dissapeared from the news outlets while Ukraine was offered to host a NATO base, finally triggering Russia's invasion.

                                Ben Royce ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฉB Ag. V.A 2 Replies Last reply
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                                • Ag. V.A Ag. V.

                                  @benroyce @randahl if you are able to remember what happened in that year 2014, although I seriously doubt your intellectual capacity, there was a parallel similar movement both in Ukraine and in Egypt, where 'the people rose up' (xD). There was a coup d'etat in both countries, in Ukraine against a pro-Russian guy, after whom Ukrainian nationalistic took power, began the war in the Donbass against pro-Russian regions and perpetrated the Odessa massacre; while in Egypt there was elections which gave place to the Muslim Brothers rule. The first ones were supported by the Western powers, while the second ones weren't and suffered another coup d'etat by their military who have been ruling ever since.

                                  Then Egypt dissapeared from the news outlets while Ukraine was offered to host a NATO base, finally triggering Russia's invasion.

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                                  @aguVV @randahl

                                  i understand the vatnik lies, idiot

                                  a revolution by the people is not a coup, you stupid liar

                                  ukraine did not declare war on their own people. russia moved troops into donbas and started a war, in ukraine. ukraine was fighting a russian invasion in donbas in 2014

                                  don't believe me? putin said so, you stupid liar:

                                  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/17/vladimir-putin-admits-russian-military-presence-ukraine

                                  and nato base? ๐Ÿ˜‚

                                  don't you mean werewolf supersoldier biolab? ๐Ÿ˜‚

                                  nobody sane believes your ignorant vatnik bullshit, you stupid liar

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                                  • Ag. V.A Ag. V.

                                    @benroyce @randahl if you are able to remember what happened in that year 2014, although I seriously doubt your intellectual capacity, there was a parallel similar movement both in Ukraine and in Egypt, where 'the people rose up' (xD). There was a coup d'etat in both countries, in Ukraine against a pro-Russian guy, after whom Ukrainian nationalistic took power, began the war in the Donbass against pro-Russian regions and perpetrated the Odessa massacre; while in Egypt there was elections which gave place to the Muslim Brothers rule. The first ones were supported by the Western powers, while the second ones weren't and suffered another coup d'etat by their military who have been ruling ever since.

                                    Then Egypt dissapeared from the news outlets while Ukraine was offered to host a NATO base, finally triggering Russia's invasion.

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                                    @benroyce @randahl I don't think you're able to see how the world works due to ypur limited capacity, but a friendly Egypt government was needed by Israel - USA proxy agent in the region, as we've repeteadly seen -, while Ukraine was used by the same powers to push Russia far from Europe, where they had been taking relevant trading presence.

                                    It's not about supporting Russia or Ukraine, it's about severing ties completely with the world's biggest fascist power nowadays that, yes, is able to give coup d'etats wherever they want and destroy countries and people's lives at will: USA.

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                                    • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                                      When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

                                      Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU and 69 million UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

                                      We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

                                      I find that profoundly shameful.

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                                      @randahl With the deplorable state of the Russian army after 4 years of the 3 day special military operation the course of the war would completely change if just a couple of European countries sent troops right now. I don't understand why we don't just do it.

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                                      • Ben Royce ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฉB Ben Royce ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฉ

                                        @aguVV @randahl

                                        i understand the vatnik lies, idiot

                                        a revolution by the people is not a coup, you stupid liar

                                        ukraine did not declare war on their own people. russia moved troops into donbas and started a war, in ukraine. ukraine was fighting a russian invasion in donbas in 2014

                                        don't believe me? putin said so, you stupid liar:

                                        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/17/vladimir-putin-admits-russian-military-presence-ukraine

                                        and nato base? ๐Ÿ˜‚

                                        don't you mean werewolf supersoldier biolab? ๐Ÿ˜‚

                                        nobody sane believes your ignorant vatnik bullshit, you stupid liar

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                                        @benroyce @randahl yes, Ukraine did. In the Donbass since 2014. In Odessa https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/the-odessa-trade-union-massacre-ten-years-later/

                                        And this is why you live in the Teletubbies world. Say hi to Dinwy Winky from me.

                                        PD: and no, I don't believe the Kremlin. But I know our enemy is not them, but the ones across the ocean.

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                                        • Randahl FinkR Randahl Fink

                                          When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

                                          Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU and 69 million UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

                                          We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

                                          I find that profoundly shameful.

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                                          @randahl

                                          The war industry profits more than in peacetime. The Ukrainians are pawns, small change, an easy investment.

                                          And it starts when Joe Public invests a few bucks of his bitcoins in Heckler & Koch, Colt, FN Herstal, Kalashnikov, Sig Sauer, General Dynamics, Rheinmetall, BAE Systems, Nexter Systems, MBDA, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Rafael, Boeing, et. al. Investors and manufacturers have an interest in continuing the war. Anything for a little cream in your coffee before you retire...

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