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  • Paul ReinheimerP Paul Reinheimer

    If an "AI" company can sell you access to software that will replace a $250k/year software engineer. They're going to charge $249k/year for it.

    That's how capitalism works.

    Well, they're going to charge $20k/year at first, during the land rush phase. Wait for some competitors to die off. Keep it low a while longer to kill off the incumbents. Then it'll jump up a bunch, before finally being even more expensive than the original thing.

    See also: Uber & AirBnB.

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    wrote last edited by
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    @preinheimer
    249'99 πŸ‘Œ
    @laescude

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    • AJ SadauskasA AJ Sadauskas

      @adavid @spriebsch @preinheimer And we're still in the early phase of @pluralistic's enshittification cycle with AI.

      The likes of Anthropic, OpenAI, Google, and Microsoft are still locking users and businesses into their platforms.

      Tokens are being given away for free, even to people who don't want them.

      The real rentseeking fun begins once everyone's locked into a platform.

      For example, Imagine a world where most businesses run software created using Claude Code completely unchecked.

      What's to stop Anthropic from pushing out a future update of Claude Code that routinely generates code that relies on Anthropic's proprietary APIs to work?

      What's to stop Microsoft from pushing out a future update of Copilot that only works with customer data stored in Dynamics?

      What's to stop Google from pushing out an update to Gemini where all the generated code is exclusively hosted in Google Cloud?

      Why, suddenly you're not just paying for an AI tool that costs the equivalent of a developer's salary.

      But also, if you ever stop paying the monthly rent, then your access to the proprietary APIs ends and all your software breaks. Or you lose access to your customer records. Or all the code you've ever generated, stored on the affiliated cloud platform, vanishes.

      And beyond coding, there's many other ways these platforms could be enshittified for profit.

      For example, if millions of people trust LLMs to manage their daily lives, then suddenly making sure AI agents answer a question like "What should I have for lunch today" with "a Big Mac" is worth billions of dollars to McDonald's.

      Worst of all, if the cost of building out all the data centres and infrastructure is in the trillions, it limits the market to just a handful of players.

      And any online platforms that use their APIs will have to pay an economic rent of their choosing.

      I'm sure there's many other ways they're planning to use this to extract profits and build power.

      That's why investors are willing to pour trillions into this thing.

      It's not because they believe AGI is just around the corner.

      It's because they believe that if enough people and businesses get locked in, they get to put a tax on everything.

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      wrote last edited by
      #52

      @aj @adavid @spriebsch @preinheimer @pluralistic

      At a certain point, we go techless again.

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      • Paul ReinheimerP Paul Reinheimer

        Get ready for surge pricing on your developer hours.

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        wrote last edited by
        #53

        @preinheimer omg, crunch pricing for when something breaks in prod 😭

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        • Paul ReinheimerP Paul Reinheimer

          If an "AI" company can sell you access to software that will replace a $250k/year software engineer. They're going to charge $249k/year for it.

          That's how capitalism works.

          Well, they're going to charge $20k/year at first, during the land rush phase. Wait for some competitors to die off. Keep it low a while longer to kill off the incumbents. Then it'll jump up a bunch, before finally being even more expensive than the original thing.

          See also: Uber & AirBnB.

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          RightSprung will not comply
          wrote last edited by
          #54

          @preinheimer

          We should perhaps agree now to charge double for un-fqqing anything wrecked by AI.

          Solidarity.

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          • Paul ReinheimerP Paul Reinheimer

            If an "AI" company can sell you access to software that will replace a $250k/year software engineer. They're going to charge $249k/year for it.

            That's how capitalism works.

            Well, they're going to charge $20k/year at first, during the land rush phase. Wait for some competitors to die off. Keep it low a while longer to kill off the incumbents. Then it'll jump up a bunch, before finally being even more expensive than the original thing.

            See also: Uber & AirBnB.

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            wrote last edited by
            #55

            @preinheimer until the free / paid tokens are wasted for some trophies AND the code is an unbearable and non funtional mess.

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            • Paul ReinheimerP Paul Reinheimer

              If an "AI" company can sell you access to software that will replace a $250k/year software engineer. They're going to charge $249k/year for it.

              That's how capitalism works.

              Well, they're going to charge $20k/year at first, during the land rush phase. Wait for some competitors to die off. Keep it low a while longer to kill off the incumbents. Then it'll jump up a bunch, before finally being even more expensive than the original thing.

              See also: Uber & AirBnB.

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              Androcat
              wrote last edited by
              #56

              @preinheimer Eventually, they will be charging about 500k per year, you know, when the cost of training engineers goes up due to the loss of learning culture and substrate.

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              • AJ SadauskasA AJ Sadauskas

                @adavid @spriebsch @preinheimer And we're still in the early phase of @pluralistic's enshittification cycle with AI.

                The likes of Anthropic, OpenAI, Google, and Microsoft are still locking users and businesses into their platforms.

                Tokens are being given away for free, even to people who don't want them.

                The real rentseeking fun begins once everyone's locked into a platform.

                For example, Imagine a world where most businesses run software created using Claude Code completely unchecked.

                What's to stop Anthropic from pushing out a future update of Claude Code that routinely generates code that relies on Anthropic's proprietary APIs to work?

                What's to stop Microsoft from pushing out a future update of Copilot that only works with customer data stored in Dynamics?

                What's to stop Google from pushing out an update to Gemini where all the generated code is exclusively hosted in Google Cloud?

                Why, suddenly you're not just paying for an AI tool that costs the equivalent of a developer's salary.

                But also, if you ever stop paying the monthly rent, then your access to the proprietary APIs ends and all your software breaks. Or you lose access to your customer records. Or all the code you've ever generated, stored on the affiliated cloud platform, vanishes.

                And beyond coding, there's many other ways these platforms could be enshittified for profit.

                For example, if millions of people trust LLMs to manage their daily lives, then suddenly making sure AI agents answer a question like "What should I have for lunch today" with "a Big Mac" is worth billions of dollars to McDonald's.

                Worst of all, if the cost of building out all the data centres and infrastructure is in the trillions, it limits the market to just a handful of players.

                And any online platforms that use their APIs will have to pay an economic rent of their choosing.

                I'm sure there's many other ways they're planning to use this to extract profits and build power.

                That's why investors are willing to pour trillions into this thing.

                It's not because they believe AGI is just around the corner.

                It's because they believe that if enough people and businesses get locked in, they get to put a tax on everything.

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                Kat the Leopardess
                wrote last edited by
                #57

                @aj @adavid @spriebsch @preinheimer @pluralistic Artificial version of the Great Potato Famine

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                • Paul ReinheimerP Paul Reinheimer

                  If an "AI" company can sell you access to software that will replace a $250k/year software engineer. They're going to charge $249k/year for it.

                  That's how capitalism works.

                  Well, they're going to charge $20k/year at first, during the land rush phase. Wait for some competitors to die off. Keep it low a while longer to kill off the incumbents. Then it'll jump up a bunch, before finally being even more expensive than the original thing.

                  See also: Uber & AirBnB.

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                  Trebach
                  wrote last edited by
                  #58

                  @preinheimer They learned it from Walmart

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                  • Paul ReinheimerP Paul Reinheimer

                    If an "AI" company can sell you access to software that will replace a $250k/year software engineer. They're going to charge $249k/year for it.

                    That's how capitalism works.

                    Well, they're going to charge $20k/year at first, during the land rush phase. Wait for some competitors to die off. Keep it low a while longer to kill off the incumbents. Then it'll jump up a bunch, before finally being even more expensive than the original thing.

                    See also: Uber & AirBnB.

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                    Urzl
                    wrote last edited by
                    #59

                    @preinheimer Enshittification of for-profit enterprises is inevitable.

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                    • Paul ReinheimerP Paul Reinheimer

                      If an "AI" company can sell you access to software that will replace a $250k/year software engineer. They're going to charge $249k/year for it.

                      That's how capitalism works.

                      Well, they're going to charge $20k/year at first, during the land rush phase. Wait for some competitors to die off. Keep it low a while longer to kill off the incumbents. Then it'll jump up a bunch, before finally being even more expensive than the original thing.

                      See also: Uber & AirBnB.

                      crazyeddieC This user is from outside of this forum
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                      crazyeddie
                      wrote last edited by
                      #60

                      @preinheimer I wouldn't expect that same situation to hold unless they're able to shut out the competition that is just way to easy to get going and furthermore the competition that will develop more slowly based on vetted training materials. That'll be hard to accomplish with the open source models out there already to ruin that whole strategy.

                      The price will definitely go way up, but unlikely to the same levels.

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                      • Paul ReinheimerP Paul Reinheimer

                        If an "AI" company can sell you access to software that will replace a $250k/year software engineer. They're going to charge $249k/year for it.

                        That's how capitalism works.

                        Well, they're going to charge $20k/year at first, during the land rush phase. Wait for some competitors to die off. Keep it low a while longer to kill off the incumbents. Then it'll jump up a bunch, before finally being even more expensive than the original thing.

                        See also: Uber & AirBnB.

                        peterfrP This user is from outside of this forum
                        peterfrP This user is from outside of this forum
                        peterfr
                        wrote last edited by
                        #61

                        @preinheimer don't forget that the quality of the "service" will decrease whilst the cost increase.

                        see also: classic ERP systems

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                        • Paul ReinheimerP Paul Reinheimer

                          If an "AI" company can sell you access to software that will replace a $250k/year software engineer. They're going to charge $249k/year for it.

                          That's how capitalism works.

                          Well, they're going to charge $20k/year at first, during the land rush phase. Wait for some competitors to die off. Keep it low a while longer to kill off the incumbents. Then it'll jump up a bunch, before finally being even more expensive than the original thing.

                          See also: Uber & AirBnB.

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                          Daarin
                          wrote last edited by
                          #62

                          @preinheimer See also: Netflix et al.

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