Let's remind everyone what a safe internet actually means.
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You missed the most important one.
A safe internet require distributed and transparent ownership, not tight control by secretive for-profit companies.
Without that, none of the rest matters.
@TCatInReality
There is no ownership of internet. There is ownership on internet.
The left column is for safety on internet protecting against abuse by systems on internet under any ownership.
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Let's remind everyone what a safe internet actually means.
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Let's remind everyone what a safe internet actually means.
Share this & Spread the word!
@Tutanota You keep using the word safer. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Let's remind everyone what a safe internet actually means.
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A safer internet IS MADE BY
Encryption
Privacy
Open sourceA safer internet is NOT MADE BY
Age verification
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@Tutanota You keep using the word safer. I do not think it means what you think it means.
Please get some more context if you want to discus that topic because such comments are not helping if your sentences are to vage.
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@Tutanota Just a note. Age verification is not mutually exclusive to everything that is on the safer column. If the real world has age requirements in some operations, it's acceptable that the digital world also has the same. Making the Internet lawless is what drives attacks on other liberties.
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@soderling No, it is not. Any digital service could query a digital gov ID just for age verification (yes/no signed key) and nothing else is stored in either side. A government audit can run on all users just to make sure they have those signed keys WITHOUT knowing who they are.
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Let's remind everyone what a safe internet actually means.
Share this & Spread the word!
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@SuperDicq @Tutanota no. NOT free. Secure software is funded software that can afford to invest in a secure platform.
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Let's remind everyone what a safe internet actually means.
Share this & Spread the word!
@Tutanota the left column does not protect minors from AI Fake content, porn and violence. This is just the wrong sharepic for the conext
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@aubrey @soderling They can save it, it's pointless, it's just a valid age verification token. The critical point is the authentication system that by law and governance, would be made in a way where you only authorise an age verification not sharing private data with the digital service OR logging on the government side what site you're trying to use. There are more technical steps available for privacy like key pairs, blockchain, owning your data I would prefer first but it is possible.
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@aubrey @soderling They can save it, it's pointless, it's just a valid age verification token. The critical point is the authentication system that by law and governance, would be made in a way where you only authorise an age verification not sharing private data with the digital service OR logging on the government side what site you're trying to use. There are more technical steps available for privacy like key pairs, blockchain, owning your data I would prefer first but it is possible.
@gonun13 @soderling Well, then the government gives me a token for something. First, they know I requested a token at this time (which is also a privacy problem, but not that big). I give that token to the site I want to use, that is okay still. But then the government asks the site owner to give them all the users with all their tokens. Now the government can match the users with real people based on the tokens they gave out.
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Let's remind everyone what a safe internet actually means.
Share this & Spread the word!
@Tutanota hello
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@gonun13 @soderling Well, then the government gives me a token for something. First, they know I requested a token at this time (which is also a privacy problem, but not that big). I give that token to the site I want to use, that is okay still. But then the government asks the site owner to give them all the users with all their tokens. Now the government can match the users with real people based on the tokens they gave out.
@aubrey @soderling That's not exactly the sequence. Service -> govID -> you authenticate with govID -> you share age verification with service -> they store a valid age verification token -> gov can check valid tokens not who made them (by law).
The are other conversations involved like anonymity vs privacy. Public vs private data. But it is technically possible, it's more on how we setup our digital legal governance. -
That second column isn't designed to make anything safer for the end user.
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@Tutanota Does your solution support open standards like POP/IMAP, allowing the end users to encrypt/decrypt/verify their messages EXTERNALLY? If it does not, please stop using the word "safe" and the name of your product in the same sentence.
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@Tutanota the left column does not protect minors from AI Fake content, porn and violence. This is just the wrong sharepic for the conext
@strigga_ @Tutanota
That is Stigmata what you are saying. You are correct on the 3rd but nut on the first 2. The First two has to be regulated and not to be banned. And i mean it also in context of minors. Because you are make it as a Tabu and this is violence the minors indirectly. This is Double Standard if you argument that censoring everything is a good way to protect minors because that will make more victims if that Topics are stigmatized by everyone. That will get more violence not less. -
@Tutanota Just a note. Age verification is not mutually exclusive to everything that is on the safer column. If the real world has age requirements in some operations, it's acceptable that the digital world also has the same. Making the Internet lawless is what drives attacks on other liberties.
@gonun13 You block legal porn sites, people will get to illegal porn sites full of potential malware. Or simply to torrents.
Age verification online solves absolutely nothing. Better education is the solution.
On the other hand, blocking social media is a double edged sword. 1: It might keep children safe from toxic behaviour; but they won't learn to recognise such behaviours once they are adults. But i guess once you are an adult you don't matter anymore? Hence, education is the solution.
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@gonun13 You block legal porn sites, people will get to illegal porn sites full of potential malware. Or simply to torrents.
Age verification online solves absolutely nothing. Better education is the solution.
On the other hand, blocking social media is a double edged sword. 1: It might keep children safe from toxic behaviour; but they won't learn to recognise such behaviours once they are adults. But i guess once you are an adult you don't matter anymore? Hence, education is the solution.
1/2@gonun13 2: It might keep them ignorant on important stuff if their education is bad. Some parents are queerphobic, and children discover about queerness only in social media, which is extremely helpful. Some children only get emotional support from social media, as they CANNOT get it in person due to discrimination. This law puts at risk queer children.
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