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The Better Screw: A Canadian Grip

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  • Sharing bits of Canada 'ehπŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦C Sharing bits of Canada 'ehπŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦

    The Better Screw: A Canadian Grip

    In 1908, Canadian P. L. Robertson invented the square-socketed screw to prevent 'cam-out'β€”the slipping that plagues other screw types. This superior grip made it highly efficient. While the Phillips head became more common globally, the Robertson screw remains widely preferred in Canadian construction and manufacturing for its reliability. #Canada #Innovation #Invention #Tools

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robertson_screwdriver

    javensbukanJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    @Canadian_Eh Oh my god, if I find out who is putting slotted screws in things in 2026 I will end them 🀬.

    Philips are bad enough but holy hell, stop with the slotted already!

    I *rarely* if ever have stripped Robertson screws.

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    • Sharing bits of Canada 'ehπŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦C Sharing bits of Canada 'ehπŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦

      The Better Screw: A Canadian Grip

      In 1908, Canadian P. L. Robertson invented the square-socketed screw to prevent 'cam-out'β€”the slipping that plagues other screw types. This superior grip made it highly efficient. While the Phillips head became more common globally, the Robertson screw remains widely preferred in Canadian construction and manufacturing for its reliability. #Canada #Innovation #Invention #Tools

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robertson_screwdriver

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      @Canadian_Eh

      More than once I have rounded out the screw (or found it has rounded out) and wondered if a triangle shape would have worked better.

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      • javensbukanJ javensbukan

        @Canadian_Eh Oh my god, if I find out who is putting slotted screws in things in 2026 I will end them 🀬.

        Philips are bad enough but holy hell, stop with the slotted already!

        I *rarely* if ever have stripped Robertson screws.

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        @javensbukan @Canadian_Eh Uhm, hex keys are not a thing over there? Don't you have IKEAs?

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          @Canadian_Eh

          More than once I have rounded out the screw (or found it has rounded out) and wondered if a triangle shape would have worked better.

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          @angela_underscore @Canadian_Eh

          Interesting thought.

          The three sharper points of the driver would be a bit (so to speak) less robust than four pointed corners, which perhaps Robertson thought about. On the other hand, the fastener itself might well have greater strip resistance. Someone must have experimented by now...

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            @javensbukan @Canadian_Eh Uhm, hex keys are not a thing over there? Don't you have IKEAs?

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            @hennichodernich @Canadian_Eh We do! And those are pretty great tbh. Though they're rarely used in building and general house construction.

            Case and point, every single lightswitch panel and outlet in my house has these stupid slotted screws and I hate them.

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            • Kyle Memoir πŸ‰πŸ§F Kyle Memoir πŸ‰πŸ§

              @angela_underscore @Canadian_Eh

              Interesting thought.

              The three sharper points of the driver would be a bit (so to speak) less robust than four pointed corners, which perhaps Robertson thought about. On the other hand, the fastener itself might well have greater strip resistance. Someone must have experimented by now...

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              @f800gecko @Canadian_Eh

              The three points of the driver could be a bit rounded. The three (relatively) broad faces would provide enough contact to move the screw after losing a bit of meat on the corners.

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                @hennichodernich @Canadian_Eh We do! And those are pretty great tbh. Though they're rarely used in building and general house construction.

                Case and point, every single lightswitch panel and outlet in my house has these stupid slotted screws and I hate them.

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                @javensbukan @hennichodernich Ouch. I know that pain.

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                • Sharing bits of Canada 'ehπŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦C Sharing bits of Canada 'ehπŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦

                  @javensbukan @hennichodernich Ouch. I know that pain.

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                  @Canadian_Eh @javensbukan @hennichodernich It’s interesting as I think all the front facing screws on light switches are slotted. I have to wonder if it’s a cosmetic thing.

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                    @f800gecko @Canadian_Eh

                    The three points of the driver could be a bit rounded. The three (relatively) broad faces would provide enough contact to move the screw after losing a bit of meat on the corners.

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                    @angela_underscore @f800gecko @Canadian_Eh I think the problem with a triangle shape is that you don't have a symmetrical force on the other side of the point of rotation which facilitates the rotation. When turning a Phillips or a Robertson screw, there's a "doubling" of the force from each opposite corner (Imagine how difficult it would be to unscrew a tire nut if your lug wrench didn't have opposing arms to increase the torque).

                    It's just my gut feeling though. I haven't "Googled it" yet. πŸ™‚

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                    • Paul Turnbull πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦C Paul Turnbull πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦

                      @Canadian_Eh @javensbukan @hennichodernich It’s interesting as I think all the front facing screws on light switches are slotted. I have to wonder if it’s a cosmetic thing.

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                      @Chigaze @Canadian_Eh @hennichodernich Yeah that's my thought too. Maybe because you can make slotted very small and shallow?

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                        @angela_underscore @f800gecko @Canadian_Eh I think the problem with a triangle shape is that you don't have a symmetrical force on the other side of the point of rotation which facilitates the rotation. When turning a Phillips or a Robertson screw, there's a "doubling" of the force from each opposite corner (Imagine how difficult it would be to unscrew a tire nut if your lug wrench didn't have opposing arms to increase the torque).

                        It's just my gut feeling though. I haven't "Googled it" yet. πŸ™‚

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                        @dom @f800gecko @Canadian_Eh

                        Good point.

                        I wonder if there is a parallel with the Wankel rotary engine (which those of us of a certain age will remember being in Mazda vehicles) versus a piston engine.

                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wankel_engine

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