Considering how popular the fediverse already is with at least some of the public institutions in Europe, this is a puzzling move.
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well, it is a puzzling move but only for a very short time
If it would be ATProto it would not be an "European Alternative" it would just be an app built in Europe.
Crazy enough but maybe better to build diverse hosted European fedi instances
@sl007 Well they would presumably build the full infrastructure, the PDS, the appview, etc.
Much like Blacksky has managed to do so recently, if you've been following the project:
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@FinchHaven Well this still seems to be just a guess, so we'll see. But regardless, I don't find this W project all that interesting, regardless of the protocol they use.
Yeah I see it mostly as vaporware, speaking of software stacks...
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@FinchHaven Well this still seems to be just a guess, so we'll see. But regardless, I don't find this W project all that interesting, regardless of the protocol they use.
@stefan @FinchHaven seems to be basically confirmed now that they are at least using Bluesky/ATproto code because they have things like a PDS and a W-branded version of Bluesky's web app running out in the open:
https://stage.wsocial.eu/
https://pds-stage.wsocial.eu/Whether or not this means an entirely separate network or not is another question ofc...
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@sl007 Well they would presumably build the full infrastructure, the PDS, the appview, etc.
Much like Blacksky has managed to do so recently, if you've been following the project:
No, I stopped following these non-real standard projects. I do also doubt some actors.
I am very disappointed - there are more and more such projects where volunteers are involved …
https://digitalcourage.social/@sl007/115934447986369998
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@sl007 Well they would presumably build the full infrastructure, the PDS, the appview, etc.
Much like Blacksky has managed to do so recently, if you've been following the project:
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@stefan Strange. Why wouldn't they choose ActivityPub instead?
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Considering how popular the fediverse already is with at least some of the public institutions in Europe, this is a puzzling move.
"European organizations are about to launch their own social media platform, W, amid rising tensions with the United States."
@stefan It could just be their own masto instances? Please tell me it's just their own masto instances?
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@Lockpro There are good reasons for wanting to be anonymous online, though:
https://www.belfercenter.org/publication/why-online-anonymity-matters
And there are many who post some truly vile stuff with their full name and photo attached, so, I don't know.
what anonymity do you have when creating a website? you have the same ability to post hate and misinfo that way. the only difference with decentralized social media is the boost. it's just a faster and easier way to spread that stuff than email or linking to it in your blog.
the problem is the bad shit plus the corporate algorithm. that it quickly figures out what vile stuff is triggering people and is able to push it out to millions and the profit incentive demands it.
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@stefan Strange. Why wouldn't they choose ActivityPub instead?
@GrahamDowns @stefan They do have their own servers here already, might be diversifying (and yeah, the intrusive verification). -
@GrahamDowns @stefan They do have their own servers here already, might be diversifying (and yeah, the intrusive verification).@GrahamDowns @stefan ...haha yeeeah after reading it, it's the centralisation that seems to be the draw for creating it that way.
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@stefan Strange. Why wouldn't they choose ActivityPub instead?
@GrahamDowns Great question, would love to know as well!
(Not that I think we'll be missing out much.)
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@stefan It could just be their own masto instances? Please tell me it's just their own masto instances?
@uastronomer Nope, looks like it's using ATproto: https://atprotocol.dev/w-for-atproto/
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@uastronomer Nope, looks like it's using ATproto: https://atprotocol.dev/w-for-atproto/
@stefan @uastronomer does ATproto still require that the main Bluesky servers are up?
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No, I stopped following these non-real standard projects. I do also doubt some actors.
I am very disappointed - there are more and more such projects where volunteers are involved …
https://digitalcourage.social/@sl007/115934447986369998
cc @bjoernsta @leonido (shame on you)@sl007 I agree. To me, ATproto/atmosphere will always be an attempt to coopt a successful grassroots movement that aims to take control of our social media away from tech companies. And they seem to be quite successful.
Still, seeing efforts like Blacksky and Northsky does give me hope that the control can be maybe wrestled back.
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@stefan @uastronomer does ATproto still require that the main Bluesky servers are up?
@jcrabapple Blacksky recently managed to create their own appview, which was the last missing piece for full independence from Bluesky, from what I understand.
As for Northsky, --
"yes, Northsky will have it's own Apps / AppView as part of Phase 2 of development."
https://bsky.app/profile/jackvalinsky.com/post/3mcsel254hc2w
(No word from Eurosky in the same thread.)
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Considering how popular the fediverse already is with at least some of the public institutions in Europe, this is a puzzling move.
"European organizations are about to launch their own social media platform, W, amid rising tensions with the United States."
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@jcrabapple Blacksky recently managed to create their own appview, which was the last missing piece for full independence from Bluesky, from what I understand.
As for Northsky, --
"yes, Northsky will have it's own Apps / AppView as part of Phase 2 of development."
https://bsky.app/profile/jackvalinsky.com/post/3mcsel254hc2w
(No word from Eurosky in the same thread.)
@stefan @uastronomer it seems like an awful lot of up front work and maintenance to stay "independent".
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@stefan Just imagine if every Fedi admin in Europe would start spamming the media with “we’re building a European alternative to X”.
It would be silly, but still more true than these clowns.
@slothrop Ha, maybe they should, though!
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@stefan @uastronomer it seems like an awful lot of up front work and maintenance to stay "independent".
@jcrabapple Yeah, I don't know how this is all going to look long-term, given how expensive it supposedly is to run the full infrastructure.
Blacksky has raised some money, but they currently have fewer users on their PDS than the Forkiverse server.
Northsky has much less than that.
Here, if you want to dig through the data: https://arewedecentralizedyet.online/data/
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@slothrop Ha, maybe they should, though!
@stefan right?
RIGHT??!
