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  3. I may regret this at some point, but I felt the need to put down in writing how I feel about this moment in the tech industry.

I may regret this at some point, but I felt the need to put down in writing how I feel about this moment in the tech industry.

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  • Avery 🏳️‍⚧️A Avery 🏳️‍⚧️

    @Crell you're also ignoring my point. I see the power usage of the data centers and I agree they are bad but who is building them and why are they allowed to build more and more? I'm saying the only time we care about the environment is when it comes to AI. The planet has been dying for YEARS and this is the only time we care about it? I am asking why is it the fault of the tool that is abused for the purposes of facilitating capitalism and not the fault of capitalism itself.

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    @av3ry3ris @Crell
    Avery, you’re evidencing exactly the attitudes and behaviour that Larry is calling out. Take a long hard look at yourself!

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    • Larry GarfieldC Larry Garfield

      I may regret this at some point, but I felt the need to put down in writing how I feel about this moment in the tech industry.

      It is not kind. You may well be insulted by it. If you are... then you really should question yourself.

      https://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/selfish-ai

      #AI #LLM #Programming

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      @Crell “There is no right life in the wrong one.” –Theodor Adorno

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      • Kim Spence-Jones 🇬🇧😷K Kim Spence-Jones 🇬🇧😷

        @av3ry3ris @Crell
        Avery, you’re evidencing exactly the attitudes and behaviour that Larry is calling out. Take a long hard look at yourself!

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        @KimSJ @Crell idk I mean this article didnt really present anything new. Just kind of whining about peoples tech jobs and then using the environmental talking point to "prove" AI bad. AI is not bad. It is being misused heavily I will agree. But the tool itself isn't bad. People said the same thing about the internet. Growing up people told me how inaccurate Wikipedia was but now all the sudden it is way better than AI. Both still able to have incorrect info. But AI bad. Sure yeah.

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        • Kim Spence-Jones 🇬🇧😷K Kim Spence-Jones 🇬🇧😷

          @av3ry3ris @Crell
          Avery, you’re evidencing exactly the attitudes and behaviour that Larry is calling out. Take a long hard look at yourself!

          Avery 🏳️‍⚧️A This user is from outside of this forum
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          @KimSJ @Crell all I'm saying is. The problems in the article are the result of capitalism, not AI as a tool. That's all man.

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          • Larry GarfieldC Larry Garfield

            I may regret this at some point, but I felt the need to put down in writing how I feel about this moment in the tech industry.

            It is not kind. You may well be insulted by it. If you are... then you really should question yourself.

            https://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/selfish-ai

            #AI #LLM #Programming

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            @Crell thank you for writing this down and sharing! I'm not a coder. I'm on the user side of AI. But I feel and observe exactly the same. Even worth: working in for an NGO supposedly fighting poverty, injustice, climate change, ... And nobody cares. #AI #LLM #ethics

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            • Avery 🏳️‍⚧️A Avery 🏳️‍⚧️

              @KimSJ @Crell all I'm saying is. The problems in the article are the result of capitalism, not AI as a tool. That's all man.

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              #43

              @av3ry3ris @Crell
              OK, fair point. But AI is the problems of capitalism writ large, and any engineer/programmer buying into the hype is making things worse. That’s the message I took from the OP, and that is a message worth amplifying.

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              • Kim Spence-Jones 🇬🇧😷K Kim Spence-Jones 🇬🇧😷

                @av3ry3ris @Crell
                OK, fair point. But AI is the problems of capitalism writ large, and any engineer/programmer buying into the hype is making things worse. That’s the message I took from the OP, and that is a message worth amplifying.

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                #44

                @KimSJ @Crell the reminds me of the energy conservation thing where they convinced Americans that it was our fault that and the pollution caused by electricity generation was bc we used our lights too much and we need to turn our lights off at certain times of the day.

                If we want to talk about actual problems with AI let's talk about things like ShellGPT and flock cameras, and ICE's AI facial recognition tool. Not people getting their work done faster so they can enjoy life.

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                • Larry GarfieldC Larry Garfield

                  I may regret this at some point, but I felt the need to put down in writing how I feel about this moment in the tech industry.

                  It is not kind. You may well be insulted by it. If you are... then you really should question yourself.

                  https://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/selfish-ai

                  #AI #LLM #Programming

                  Jean-David BarJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #45

                  @Crell I hope that we forgive each other at some point, because this is the only way we can hope to make society again. Dividing us so we have to be selfish is part of the issue/plan. Selfishness itself is a feature, not an accident.

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                  • Jean-David BarJ Jean-David Bar

                    @Crell I hope that we forgive each other at some point, because this is the only way we can hope to make society again. Dividing us so we have to be selfish is part of the issue/plan. Selfishness itself is a feature, not an accident.

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                    @jdbar Forgiveness only comes after accountability.

                    And it is accountability that is sorely lacking in modern America.

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                    • Jean-David BarJ Jean-David Bar

                      @Crell I hope that we forgive each other at some point, because this is the only way we can hope to make society again. Dividing us so we have to be selfish is part of the issue/plan. Selfishness itself is a feature, not an accident.

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                      #47

                      @Crell @jdbar Some things are unforgiveable.

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                      • Larry GarfieldC Larry Garfield

                        I may regret this at some point, but I felt the need to put down in writing how I feel about this moment in the tech industry.

                        It is not kind. You may well be insulted by it. If you are... then you really should question yourself.

                        https://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/selfish-ai

                        #AI #LLM #Programming

                        Larry GarfieldC This user is from outside of this forum
                        Larry GarfieldC This user is from outside of this forum
                        Larry Garfield
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                        A closely related post that describes the dynamic im talking about more succinctly.

                        Theyre talking privacy, I'm talking AI, but the same logic applies to both and many more topics.

                        https://infosec.exchange/@Em0nM4stodon/116042189238895808

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                        • Larry GarfieldC Larry Garfield

                          I may regret this at some point, but I felt the need to put down in writing how I feel about this moment in the tech industry.

                          It is not kind. You may well be insulted by it. If you are... then you really should question yourself.

                          https://www.garfieldtech.com/blog/selfish-ai

                          #AI #LLM #Programming

                          Jean-David BarJ This user is from outside of this forum
                          Jean-David BarJ This user is from outside of this forum
                          Jean-David Bar
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                          @Crell I am thinking that "vote with your dollars" is not a lie, if we get that some people have much much more money than others. We have to join the club to influence the elections. Just a few billions ahead !

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                          • Jean-David BarJ Jean-David Bar

                            @Crell I am thinking that "vote with your dollars" is not a lie, if we get that some people have much much more money than others. We have to join the club to influence the elections. Just a few billions ahead !

                            Larry GarfieldC This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @jdbar Even dollars have to content with the network effect.

                            But yes, "one dollar one vote" is what the Supreme Court has given us, and it's a recipe for oligarchy.

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