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I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

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  • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

    I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

    Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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    @Impossible_PhD Makes sense, you want to be in a good state for when the civil war breaks out. I'd be doing the same thing if I lived in America.

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    • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

      And, like any mass-migration, the folks moving first are those most able to. People with money, family, connections--this migration is ***noooooot*** over.

      If this keeps up, percentage-wise, it may be the most rapid non-forced (ie Trail of Tears) mass-migration in American history.

      I could absolutely be wrong here, to be clear. If I am, I'd appreciate any sociologists or historians popping in to correct me.

      But over 12% of a demographic fleeing a region in a year is beyond flabbergasting to me.

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      @Impossible_PhD
      Experts are warning U.S. in early stages of Genocide against TransAmericans.

      https://www.lemkininstitute.com/single-post/experts-warn-u-s-in-early-stages-of-genocide-against-trans-americans

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      • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

        And, like any mass-migration, the folks moving first are those most able to. People with money, family, connections--this migration is ***noooooot*** over.

        If this keeps up, percentage-wise, it may be the most rapid non-forced (ie Trail of Tears) mass-migration in American history.

        I could absolutely be wrong here, to be clear. If I am, I'd appreciate any sociologists or historians popping in to correct me.

        But over 12% of a demographic fleeing a region in a year is beyond flabbergasting to me.

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        @Impossible_PhD it might be more similar to the Chinese Retreat in the late 1800s

        e.g.,

        > The retreat of Chinese residents from Idaho was especially striking. In 1870, Chinese made up one-third of the population of Idaho. By 1910, almost none remained.
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        • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

          I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

          Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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          @Impossible_PhD I have trans friends that have moved to different countries since Dump became pedo in charge. And good for them for getting out when they could! I cannot blame anyone who is fleeing to perserve their lives. This administration is making its own citizens political refugees!

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          • Jo - pièce de résistanceJ Jo - pièce de résistance

            @Impossible_PhD
            Experts are warning U.S. in early stages of Genocide against TransAmericans.

            https://www.lemkininstitute.com/single-post/experts-warn-u-s-in-early-stages-of-genocide-against-trans-americans

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            @JoBlakely I am a trans professor. I'm very very well aware.

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            • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

              @JoBlakely I am a trans professor. I'm very very well aware.

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              @Impossible_PhD oh. Sorry! I didn’t realize. Wasn’t trying to explain to you anything. Just add to the convo.

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              • Jo - pièce de résistanceJ Jo - pièce de résistance

                @Impossible_PhD oh. Sorry! I didn’t realize. Wasn’t trying to explain to you anything. Just add to the convo.

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                @JoBlakely Yeah, I'm literally writing a scholarly book right now, and cite that report in it. 😅

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                • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                  @JoBlakely Yeah, I'm literally writing a scholarly book right now, and cite that report in it. 😅

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                  @Impossible_PhD I probably heard about it from you!

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                  • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                    @disorderlyf @Impossible_PhD You are not wrong about warfare, it's just a "low intensity conflict" at this moment. It's not a cold civil war anymore though, it's more like the Troubles in Northern Ireland or the Years of Lead in Greece.

                    I cannot even keep track of all the assasinations and attempts anymore. We have had members of one party (the GOP) burning homes of members of their main rivals(the Dems) while those homes were occupied.

                    We've had Trump's Gestapo and SS (ICE and CPB)occupying multiple cities and battles fought in the streets to resist the occupations. In Minneapolis we are winning most of the battles but we've had three people shot with two dead by enemy forces there-JUST in Minneapolis and all in one month.

                    Armed National Guard on US streets are not an uncommon sight in many places, though to their credit blue state National Guard troops often seem to be deploying the "work to rule" style slowdown to avoid fighting for Trump. In DC there were National Guard patrols last fall studiously cleaning up litter from the roads while ICE got their ass kicked by a crowd less than a mile away.

                    If ICE or CBP shows up to kidnap a specific person and counterattack by resistance fighters pins them down while that person escapes, by definition that battle is a defeat for Trumpist forces. This is because they enter the battle with a specific goal and defenders prevented them from reaching that goal.

                    Trumpist forces are trying to make posessing anarchist literature a felony. A bill in Florida would make "material support" to any ideology on a ban list a FELONY. Such laws are enforced by roadside ambushes and armed house raids, both of which can turn into unpleasant surprises for the attackers at any time.

                    Multiple CBP offices were shot up last year (one right after the i\Inauguration), though the Texas Prarieland ICE detention center noise demo case with its unknown facts seems to have overshadowed all of thm.

                    We had the Tesla fires a year ago, in an early offensive against Trump and DOGE. The majority of the underground fighters behind those fires appear to have escaped.

                    Now we've had three fires (one with a propane tank in it) in potential ICE warehouses in barely over a week.

                    The real achievement in Minneapolis is this: the backbone of the fighting is not career activists but self-organized fed up civilians who became resistance fighters out of necessity. A full quarter of the city participated in the biggest general strike in some way and many businesses closed for the day. About 8% of the city did not show up for work that day. On the Northern Front, we are winning and Trump is losing, one battle at a time.

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                    @LukefromDC @Impossible_PhD While I suspect you're right, I want to specify that what I expected when ICE/CBP did start shooting civilians was more more deadly and more one-sided. (at least, initially) I expected us to be at tens or hundreds or casualties within the first few months. I expected millions of unambiguous American citizens sheltering in place for fear of being shot for allegedly aiding "illegal" immigrants. (when I say unambiguous, I unfortunately mean white, given how racist the administration is in their enforcement) It's frankly a miracle I was wrong about that, that whistles and phone cameras were as effective as they have been.

                    It's almost entirely certain more people were shot and/or killed, given we learned of someone who got shot much sooner by ICE only just recently. I only hope that the success of nonviolent or far less violent action against CBP/ICE is indicative of how badly it'll go if things truly do escalate to the point where merely having a whistle and a phone won't be enough to prevent anyone from being shot.

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                    • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                      I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                      Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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                      @Impossible_PhD More friendly people for the EU I guess :v

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