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soo where's the foss federated discord alternative at?

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  • kcxt @ 39c3C This user is from outside of this forum
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    soo where's the foss federated discord alternative at?

    spacebar and stoat seem to still be a ways out, having something API compatible (spacebar) that makes it easy to port over bots and use existing clients sounds extremely promising (mobile apps maybe a lil harder but still very achievable)

    but oh boy both these alternatives are so not ready for the main stage...

    Is anyone looking at getting these projects funded?

    #discord #foss #federation

    Christian Yoga :supertuxkart:C СтефанияS 🎄🏳️‍🌈🎃🇧🇷Luana🇧🇷🎃🏳️‍🌈🎄L Funky Captain 𓆏I Luca WeissZ 5 Replies Last reply
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    • kcxt @ 39c3C kcxt @ 39c3

      soo where's the foss federated discord alternative at?

      spacebar and stoat seem to still be a ways out, having something API compatible (spacebar) that makes it easy to port over bots and use existing clients sounds extremely promising (mobile apps maybe a lil harder but still very achievable)

      but oh boy both these alternatives are so not ready for the main stage...

      Is anyone looking at getting these projects funded?

      #discord #foss #federation

      Christian Yoga :supertuxkart:C This user is from outside of this forum
      Christian Yoga :supertuxkart:C This user is from outside of this forum
      Christian Yoga :supertuxkart:
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      @cas
      Matrix with @cinnyapp
      XMPP with @movim
      maybe?

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      • kcxt @ 39c3C kcxt @ 39c3

        soo where's the foss federated discord alternative at?

        spacebar and stoat seem to still be a ways out, having something API compatible (spacebar) that makes it easy to port over bots and use existing clients sounds extremely promising (mobile apps maybe a lil harder but still very achievable)

        but oh boy both these alternatives are so not ready for the main stage...

        Is anyone looking at getting these projects funded?

        #discord #foss #federation

        СтефанияS This user is from outside of this forum
        СтефанияS This user is from outside of this forum
        Стефания
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        #3

        @cas@social.treehouse.systems fluxer looks the best, but it need a bit more work - maybe 1-2 weeks

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          @cas@social.treehouse.systems fluxer looks the best, but it need a bit more work - maybe 1-2 weeks

          Christian Yoga :supertuxkart:C This user is from outside of this forum
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          @stephanie @cas Fluxer is federated???

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          • kcxt @ 39c3C kcxt @ 39c3

            soo where's the foss federated discord alternative at?

            spacebar and stoat seem to still be a ways out, having something API compatible (spacebar) that makes it easy to port over bots and use existing clients sounds extremely promising (mobile apps maybe a lil harder but still very achievable)

            but oh boy both these alternatives are so not ready for the main stage...

            Is anyone looking at getting these projects funded?

            #discord #foss #federation

            🎄🏳️‍🌈🎃🇧🇷Luana🇧🇷🎃🏳️‍🌈🎄L This user is from outside of this forum
            🎄🏳️‍🌈🎃🇧🇷Luana🇧🇷🎃🏳️‍🌈🎄L This user is from outside of this forum
            🎄🏳️‍🌈🎃🇧🇷Luana🇧🇷🎃🏳️‍🌈🎄
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            @cas XMPP has potential with movim working to implement discord like stuff

            And Fluxer got rid of their CLA and they said they plan to implement federation eventually, with people already seeming to like it as a discord alternative, so there’s that I guess. Tho they have a bluesky account instead of a fediverse one so that’s kind of a red flag.

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            • Christian Yoga :supertuxkart:C Christian Yoga :supertuxkart:

              @stephanie @cas Fluxer is federated???

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              @crse@social.linux.pizza @cas@social.treehouse.systems currently is not, but developing federation is top priority currently

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              • Christian Yoga :supertuxkart:C Christian Yoga :supertuxkart:

                @cas
                Matrix with @cinnyapp
                XMPP with @movim
                maybe?

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                @crse xmpp is closer than matrix (in that it has user status messages) but both are severely lacking in a whole host of ways:

                * slick reliable UX (matrix sync is still laughable)
                * guilds/servers
                * voice "channels" (not calls!)
                * easy custom emotes
                * server side moderation/rewrite history - absolutely ridiculous to have to wait for delete events to federate
                * all the other moderation tools, roles, permission management, anti-raid/spam mechanisms

                The UX and reliability is really what matters though, i have a bunch of friends who all use discord and won't be willing to leave unless the large and small communities they're a part of do as well... We don't necessarily need feature parity today but we need something good enough to get early adopters

                heck pmOS uses matrix and we would benefit hugely from having custom roles to help identify people and let us quickly reach people who maybe own or work on a particular device for example

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                  @crse@social.linux.pizza @cas@social.treehouse.systems currently is not, but developing federation is top priority currently

                  kcxt @ 39c3C This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @stephanie @crse that looks really promising! thanks

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                  • kcxt @ 39c3C kcxt @ 39c3

                    @crse xmpp is closer than matrix (in that it has user status messages) but both are severely lacking in a whole host of ways:

                    * slick reliable UX (matrix sync is still laughable)
                    * guilds/servers
                    * voice "channels" (not calls!)
                    * easy custom emotes
                    * server side moderation/rewrite history - absolutely ridiculous to have to wait for delete events to federate
                    * all the other moderation tools, roles, permission management, anti-raid/spam mechanisms

                    The UX and reliability is really what matters though, i have a bunch of friends who all use discord and won't be willing to leave unless the large and small communities they're a part of do as well... We don't necessarily need feature parity today but we need something good enough to get early adopters

                    heck pmOS uses matrix and we would benefit hugely from having custom roles to help identify people and let us quickly reach people who maybe own or work on a particular device for example

                    Jack :telecommuter:J This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @cas yes yes yes! so many people suggesting alternatives have no clue the moderation options that discord offers and how useful they are to different kinds of community

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                    • kcxt @ 39c3C kcxt @ 39c3

                      soo where's the foss federated discord alternative at?

                      spacebar and stoat seem to still be a ways out, having something API compatible (spacebar) that makes it easy to port over bots and use existing clients sounds extremely promising (mobile apps maybe a lil harder but still very achievable)

                      but oh boy both these alternatives are so not ready for the main stage...

                      Is anyone looking at getting these projects funded?

                      #discord #foss #federation

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                      @cas Fluxer is FOSS and has federation as a part of its 2026 roadmap.

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                      • kcxt @ 39c3C kcxt @ 39c3

                        @crse xmpp is closer than matrix (in that it has user status messages) but both are severely lacking in a whole host of ways:

                        * slick reliable UX (matrix sync is still laughable)
                        * guilds/servers
                        * voice "channels" (not calls!)
                        * easy custom emotes
                        * server side moderation/rewrite history - absolutely ridiculous to have to wait for delete events to federate
                        * all the other moderation tools, roles, permission management, anti-raid/spam mechanisms

                        The UX and reliability is really what matters though, i have a bunch of friends who all use discord and won't be willing to leave unless the large and small communities they're a part of do as well... We don't necessarily need feature parity today but we need something good enough to get early adopters

                        heck pmOS uses matrix and we would benefit hugely from having custom roles to help identify people and let us quickly reach people who maybe own or work on a particular device for example

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                        @cas @crse What does 'guilds/servers' do that Matrix spces dont?

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                        • kcxt @ 39c3C kcxt @ 39c3

                          soo where's the foss federated discord alternative at?

                          spacebar and stoat seem to still be a ways out, having something API compatible (spacebar) that makes it easy to port over bots and use existing clients sounds extremely promising (mobile apps maybe a lil harder but still very achievable)

                          but oh boy both these alternatives are so not ready for the main stage...

                          Is anyone looking at getting these projects funded?

                          #discord #foss #federation

                          Luca WeissZ This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @cas https://fedi.lwn.net/@lwn/116103445697198407 ?

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                            @cas @crse What does 'guilds/servers' do that Matrix spces dont?

                            kcxt @ 39c3C This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @penguin42 @crse muuuch nicer UX, client support ofc, the whole model is quite different and just a lot more seamless

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                            • kcxt @ 39c3C kcxt @ 39c3

                              @crse xmpp is closer than matrix (in that it has user status messages) but both are severely lacking in a whole host of ways:

                              * slick reliable UX (matrix sync is still laughable)
                              * guilds/servers
                              * voice "channels" (not calls!)
                              * easy custom emotes
                              * server side moderation/rewrite history - absolutely ridiculous to have to wait for delete events to federate
                              * all the other moderation tools, roles, permission management, anti-raid/spam mechanisms

                              The UX and reliability is really what matters though, i have a bunch of friends who all use discord and won't be willing to leave unless the large and small communities they're a part of do as well... We don't necessarily need feature parity today but we need something good enough to get early adopters

                              heck pmOS uses matrix and we would benefit hugely from having custom roles to help identify people and let us quickly reach people who maybe own or work on a particular device for example

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                              @cas I'd have thought that "New Conversation > New Video Room" would have made the list for a voice room

                              It just idles there, with people able to drop in and out as they please, and no explicit "Start Call"

                              (It falls down in other ways, like the inability to see which users are currently in the room, but that's a smaller lift than "Missing entirely")

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