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This is exactly the problem with trusting US companies right now.

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  • Harry SintonenH This user is from outside of this forum
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    This is exactly the problem with trusting US companies right now. They will comply with these "lawful access requests", regardless of how outrageous they are.

    The Intercept: "Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist’s Bank and Credit Card Numbers" - https://theintercept.com/2026/02/10/google-ice-subpoena-student-journalist/

    The only recourse you have as a consumer is to switch away from these US services. It can be tricky as many have built their digital identity on top of the US services, self-hosting requires expertise and knowing which alternatives to trust is difficult. @privacyguides has some helpful guides for this: https://www.privacyguides.org/

    #privacy #google #privacyguides

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      This is exactly the problem with trusting US companies right now. They will comply with these "lawful access requests", regardless of how outrageous they are.

      The Intercept: "Google Fulfilled ICE Subpoena Demanding Student Journalist’s Bank and Credit Card Numbers" - https://theintercept.com/2026/02/10/google-ice-subpoena-student-journalist/

      The only recourse you have as a consumer is to switch away from these US services. It can be tricky as many have built their digital identity on top of the US services, self-hosting requires expertise and knowing which alternatives to trust is difficult. @privacyguides has some helpful guides for this: https://www.privacyguides.org/

      #privacy #google #privacyguides

      Andrew WipplerA This user is from outside of this forum
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      @harrysintonen @privacyguides Google was following a subpeona, meaning law enforcement (ICE) went to a US Judge and gave sufficient evidence for suspicion of wrong doing. The judge agreed that law enforcement needed further information to perform a full investigation.

      Cannot the police in Finland do that to me if I have suspicious activity needing further proof of wrong doing?

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        @harrysintonen @privacyguides Google was following a subpeona, meaning law enforcement (ICE) went to a US Judge and gave sufficient evidence for suspicion of wrong doing. The judge agreed that law enforcement needed further information to perform a full investigation.

        Cannot the police in Finland do that to me if I have suspicious activity needing further proof of wrong doing?

        Harry SintonenH This user is from outside of this forum
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        @andrew @privacyguides Yes they can.

        However:

        1. The US Privacy Act applies only to US citizens only. Anyone else is automatically free for all. US intelligence agencies happily exercise this right and collect and disseminate all information of non-citizens.

        2. I trust Finnish authorities more than US ones, especially the current US administration. It wasn't great before either, but now the rights bestowed to them are being abused to cater for any whims of the deranged leader. The current administration has house, senate and the supreme court. There's absolutely no recourse or any legal avenue in case of abuse, even for US citizens, and definitely not for anyone who is non-citizen.

        So yeah, not the same thing from my perspective.

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