#QuestionOfTheDay What's something (a trope, plot point, character type, twist, technology, magic, decision, conceit of the genre/world, whatever) in fiction that you just can't buy.
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@nazokiyoubinbou @5easypieces I know it's for dramatic reasons and I absolutely love the movie and the ending fight but it always shocked me how many photon torpedoes they had to fire on a shieldless bird of prey in Star Trek 6, like the first homing torpedo should have destroyed it xD
@ami_angelwings @nazokiyoubinbou And the torpedoes were so ineffective that the same bird of prey showed up decades later only to be blowed up real good again in "Generations."
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@5easypieces @nazokiyoubinbou it was always weird to me that shields could be weakened by phasers but also by photon torpedoes which did even more damage to weaken them. Like I thought maybe you could drain the shields with phasers and then use the photons on the actual ship. Also that shields can be specifically weakened in certain areas by concentrating on them and they don't just work as a single energy field. And yes I have the TNG technical manual I know how it's "supposed" to work and I know why it's done that way for tension reasons, and it doesn't ruin Trek for me, I am happy to live vicariously in that world and go "oh no, you better redirect energy from the aft shields to the front!" but still, it is really weird
@ami_angelwings @nazokiyoubinbou This is just a reminder to try to remember which box I put my TNG technical manual in
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@ami_angelwings @nazokiyoubinbou This is just a reminder to try to remember which box I put my TNG technical manual in
@5easypieces @ami_angelwings It was the one next to the thing over in that place with the stuff.
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@5easypieces @ami_angelwings It was the one next to the thing over in that place with the stuff.
@nazokiyoubinbou @ami_angelwings I looked there already, and no joy
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@ami_angelwings Just about every secret org in YA fiction unless it's very specifically being played for laughs. Just a whole ass genre of beautiful, often long haired and long coated people who somehow exist on the fringes of society who're unaccountably able to Go Anywhere Important and Do Incredibly Important things, all apparently walking normal ass streets unsmiling waiting for the chosen ones to mentor without anyone side eyeing them like "who is this weird Amish metal head?"
@ami_angelwings Wanna give a shout out to Skullduggery Pleasant for the way it handles stuff like this.
-Immortality is achievable so a lot of the dark ages mystics have spent centuries adapting to surveillance.
-A lot of modern mystics come across as nerdy hobbyists enjoying a secret lifestyle
-Governments communicate with magic ones and agree to look the other way. -
@5easypieces @ami_angelwings It was the one next to the thing over in that place with the stuff.
@nazokiyoubinbou @5easypieces next to the "on the anatomy of the daleks" 600 page medical reference text
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@nazokiyoubinbou @5easypieces next to the "on the anatomy of the daleks" 600 page medical reference text
@ami_angelwings @nazokiyoubinbou Hardcore
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@nazokiyoubinbou @5easypieces next to the "on the anatomy of the daleks" 600 page medical reference text
@ami_angelwings @5easypieces The only thing I can imagine being grosser than the actual body of a Dalek would be one that has been opened up.
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This also happens in reverse for me with face heel turns, like in wrestling when Steve Austin turned heel and teamed up with Triple H who literally tried to run him over with a car a year ago! Water under the bridge now that the "evil" switch has been flipped.
@ami_angelwings it seems to me that turning evil would make you less forgiving, not more
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@ami_angelwings it seems to me that turning evil would make you less forgiving, not more
@otherdracula they tried to justify it as he respects Triple H cared so much about winning he would try to kill somebody over it, but also, the justification of the whole plotline is that Steve Austin got hit but a car which took him out of action for almost a year, then he comes back but because of the injury he's insecure about his ability to be himself so he turns evil to get Vince McMahon's help (who they also have tried to basically kill each other on various occasions) to win a championship, and then he teams up with the guy who put him in this position in the first place? I guess cuz he's evil now and is like actually opposing authority is bad, look where it got me, now I should join them and be evil
I guess it makes sense if you look at it from a certain angle but also it doesn't
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@otherdracula they tried to justify it as he respects Triple H cared so much about winning he would try to kill somebody over it, but also, the justification of the whole plotline is that Steve Austin got hit but a car which took him out of action for almost a year, then he comes back but because of the injury he's insecure about his ability to be himself so he turns evil to get Vince McMahon's help (who they also have tried to basically kill each other on various occasions) to win a championship, and then he teams up with the guy who put him in this position in the first place? I guess cuz he's evil now and is like actually opposing authority is bad, look where it got me, now I should join them and be evil
I guess it makes sense if you look at it from a certain angle but also it doesn't
@otherdracula on the other side, Austin also tried to kill Triple H when he came back and was still good and angry that Triple H tried to kill him, he picked up the bus Triple H was in using a crane and dropped it from a high distance
And that's also water under the bridge because Austin talked to Null the Gull and is a villain now and so Triple H's npc script changed
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@otherdracula they tried to justify it as he respects Triple H cared so much about winning he would try to kill somebody over it, but also, the justification of the whole plotline is that Steve Austin got hit but a car which took him out of action for almost a year, then he comes back but because of the injury he's insecure about his ability to be himself so he turns evil to get Vince McMahon's help (who they also have tried to basically kill each other on various occasions) to win a championship, and then he teams up with the guy who put him in this position in the first place? I guess cuz he's evil now and is like actually opposing authority is bad, look where it got me, now I should join them and be evil
I guess it makes sense if you look at it from a certain angle but also it doesn't
@ami_angelwings it sounds less like turning evil and more like, being defeated by life and losing your nerve
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@ami_angelwings it sounds less like turning evil and more like, being defeated by life and losing your nerve
@otherdracula yeah, if they executed it that way it might actually be interesting, but they didn't, then he joined the WCW/ECW Alliance to fight WWE as their leader, then 9/11 happened at Kurt Angle had to turn face to be patriotic and spray Austin down with milk, then he lost to the Rock and the Alliance ended, and the next day he was a face again and acting just like the old authority hating Stone Cold and we all pretended nothing happened in the previous year
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@otherdracula yeah, if they executed it that way it might actually be interesting, but they didn't, then he joined the WCW/ECW Alliance to fight WWE as their leader, then 9/11 happened at Kurt Angle had to turn face to be patriotic and spray Austin down with milk, then he lost to the Rock and the Alliance ended, and the next day he was a face again and acting just like the old authority hating Stone Cold and we all pretended nothing happened in the previous year
@ami_angelwings I can only assume they either weren't interested in subtle characterization, or they assumed the audience wouldn't want or understand it
probably both
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@ami_angelwings @5easypieces The only thing I can imagine being grosser than the actual body of a Dalek would be one that has been opened up.
@nazokiyoubinbou @ami_angelwings Sort of a Dalek Slim Goodbody sort of situation, is what I'm picturing
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#QuestionOfTheDay What's something (a trope, plot point, character type, twist, technology, magic, decision, conceit of the genre/world, whatever) in fiction that you just can't buy.
i.e. you get that it's fiction, & that it's a thing that happens, or that in the fictional world it's accepted, justified, or explained, or fans love it, etc. It's not that you don't understand it, it's just that you don't buy it, it doesn't work for you, you just can't accept it or take it seriously, etc...
This is a judgement free zone (at least from my end) so if you're like "when space magic shows up I can't take it seriously" or "ppl being able to fly makes no sense to me" etc that's totally fine.
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@ami_angelwings normal gravity on spaceships with no explanation whatsoever. It doesn't bother me too much since I know it's just so much easier to just ignore the whole concept, but I am always pleasantly surprised when scifi makes a point to try to explain it (i.e. the centrifugal ships in Interstellar, "gravity generator" in Knights of Sidonia)
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@ami_angelwings normal gravity on spaceships with no explanation whatsoever. It doesn't bother me too much since I know it's just so much easier to just ignore the whole concept, but I am always pleasantly surprised when scifi makes a point to try to explain it (i.e. the centrifugal ships in Interstellar, "gravity generator" in Knights of Sidonia)
@milla @ami_angelwings Absolutely this... They don't just generate gravity, they apparently control it entirely somehow. I'm not going to say that's truly 100% impossible because who knows, but it sure as heck is not something that can be just done without explanation, lol.
They also have some weird control over inertia that doesn't even make sense. Like the ship can go really fast and suddenly stop or turn really quickly and people don't turn into jelly or become stains on the walls.
I hate the heck out of it in most ways, but darned if The Expanse didn't get this stuff incredibly right...
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@milla @ami_angelwings Absolutely this... They don't just generate gravity, they apparently control it entirely somehow. I'm not going to say that's truly 100% impossible because who knows, but it sure as heck is not something that can be just done without explanation, lol.
They also have some weird control over inertia that doesn't even make sense. Like the ship can go really fast and suddenly stop or turn really quickly and people don't turn into jelly or become stains on the walls.
I hate the heck out of it in most ways, but darned if The Expanse didn't get this stuff incredibly right...
@nazokiyoubinbou @milla Star Trek explains the inertia stuff with "inertial dampeners" and they explain why the ship shakes when they get shot by the inertial dampeners briefly getting interrupted, there's obviously a lot to nitpick about it but at least they provide an explanation
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#QuestionOfTheDay What's something (a trope, plot point, character type, twist, technology, magic, decision, conceit of the genre/world, whatever) in fiction that you just can't buy.
i.e. you get that it's fiction, & that it's a thing that happens, or that in the fictional world it's accepted, justified, or explained, or fans love it, etc. It's not that you don't understand it, it's just that you don't buy it, it doesn't work for you, you just can't accept it or take it seriously, etc...
This is a judgement free zone (at least from my end) so if you're like "when space magic shows up I can't take it seriously" or "ppl being able to fly makes no sense to me" etc that's totally fine.
#fiction #Television #TV #manga #anime #film #movies #books #CCGs #ttrpg #videogames #comics #comicbooks
@ami_angelwings that a space ship, traveling many times faster than the speed of light, can execute a "full stop" in 10 seconds. see #StarTrek #TNG
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@nazokiyoubinbou @milla Star Trek explains the inertia stuff with "inertial dampeners" and they explain why the ship shakes when they get shot by the inertial dampeners briefly getting interrupted, there's obviously a lot to nitpick about it but at least they provide an explanation
@ami_angelwings @milla It was actually partially because of Star Trek's "inertial dampeners" that I thought of that. I don't really think that counts as an explanation, lol. That's just a "oh there's a thing for that *waves hand vaguely.*" How do they actually work? They didn't even explain it in Star Trek's magiscency ways did they? At least not that I remember ever seeing. Perhaps some materials external to the shows say something.
The thing is, how do you actually "dampen" inertia? All I could think of is if the actual insides were all sort of built on a huge suspension system. But even that couldn't really handle the sheer amount of speed that Star Trek throws at them. Even impulse power is insane.
