#QuestionOfTheDay What's something (a trope, plot point, character type, twist, technology, magic, decision, conceit of the genre/world, whatever) in fiction that you just can't buy.
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@nazokiyoubinbou @5easypieces next to the "on the anatomy of the daleks" 600 page medical reference text
@ami_angelwings @5easypieces The only thing I can imagine being grosser than the actual body of a Dalek would be one that has been opened up.
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This also happens in reverse for me with face heel turns, like in wrestling when Steve Austin turned heel and teamed up with Triple H who literally tried to run him over with a car a year ago! Water under the bridge now that the "evil" switch has been flipped.
@ami_angelwings it seems to me that turning evil would make you less forgiving, not more
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@ami_angelwings it seems to me that turning evil would make you less forgiving, not more
@otherdracula they tried to justify it as he respects Triple H cared so much about winning he would try to kill somebody over it, but also, the justification of the whole plotline is that Steve Austin got hit but a car which took him out of action for almost a year, then he comes back but because of the injury he's insecure about his ability to be himself so he turns evil to get Vince McMahon's help (who they also have tried to basically kill each other on various occasions) to win a championship, and then he teams up with the guy who put him in this position in the first place? I guess cuz he's evil now and is like actually opposing authority is bad, look where it got me, now I should join them and be evil
I guess it makes sense if you look at it from a certain angle but also it doesn't
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@otherdracula they tried to justify it as he respects Triple H cared so much about winning he would try to kill somebody over it, but also, the justification of the whole plotline is that Steve Austin got hit but a car which took him out of action for almost a year, then he comes back but because of the injury he's insecure about his ability to be himself so he turns evil to get Vince McMahon's help (who they also have tried to basically kill each other on various occasions) to win a championship, and then he teams up with the guy who put him in this position in the first place? I guess cuz he's evil now and is like actually opposing authority is bad, look where it got me, now I should join them and be evil
I guess it makes sense if you look at it from a certain angle but also it doesn't
@otherdracula on the other side, Austin also tried to kill Triple H when he came back and was still good and angry that Triple H tried to kill him, he picked up the bus Triple H was in using a crane and dropped it from a high distance
And that's also water under the bridge because Austin talked to Null the Gull and is a villain now and so Triple H's npc script changed
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@otherdracula they tried to justify it as he respects Triple H cared so much about winning he would try to kill somebody over it, but also, the justification of the whole plotline is that Steve Austin got hit but a car which took him out of action for almost a year, then he comes back but because of the injury he's insecure about his ability to be himself so he turns evil to get Vince McMahon's help (who they also have tried to basically kill each other on various occasions) to win a championship, and then he teams up with the guy who put him in this position in the first place? I guess cuz he's evil now and is like actually opposing authority is bad, look where it got me, now I should join them and be evil
I guess it makes sense if you look at it from a certain angle but also it doesn't
@ami_angelwings it sounds less like turning evil and more like, being defeated by life and losing your nerve
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@ami_angelwings it sounds less like turning evil and more like, being defeated by life and losing your nerve
@otherdracula yeah, if they executed it that way it might actually be interesting, but they didn't, then he joined the WCW/ECW Alliance to fight WWE as their leader, then 9/11 happened at Kurt Angle had to turn face to be patriotic and spray Austin down with milk, then he lost to the Rock and the Alliance ended, and the next day he was a face again and acting just like the old authority hating Stone Cold and we all pretended nothing happened in the previous year
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@otherdracula yeah, if they executed it that way it might actually be interesting, but they didn't, then he joined the WCW/ECW Alliance to fight WWE as their leader, then 9/11 happened at Kurt Angle had to turn face to be patriotic and spray Austin down with milk, then he lost to the Rock and the Alliance ended, and the next day he was a face again and acting just like the old authority hating Stone Cold and we all pretended nothing happened in the previous year
@ami_angelwings I can only assume they either weren't interested in subtle characterization, or they assumed the audience wouldn't want or understand it
probably both
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@ami_angelwings @5easypieces The only thing I can imagine being grosser than the actual body of a Dalek would be one that has been opened up.
@nazokiyoubinbou @ami_angelwings Sort of a Dalek Slim Goodbody sort of situation, is what I'm picturing
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#QuestionOfTheDay What's something (a trope, plot point, character type, twist, technology, magic, decision, conceit of the genre/world, whatever) in fiction that you just can't buy.
i.e. you get that it's fiction, & that it's a thing that happens, or that in the fictional world it's accepted, justified, or explained, or fans love it, etc. It's not that you don't understand it, it's just that you don't buy it, it doesn't work for you, you just can't accept it or take it seriously, etc...
This is a judgement free zone (at least from my end) so if you're like "when space magic shows up I can't take it seriously" or "ppl being able to fly makes no sense to me" etc that's totally fine.
#fiction #Television #TV #manga #anime #film #movies #books #CCGs #ttrpg #videogames #comics #comicbooks
@ami_angelwings normal gravity on spaceships with no explanation whatsoever. It doesn't bother me too much since I know it's just so much easier to just ignore the whole concept, but I am always pleasantly surprised when scifi makes a point to try to explain it (i.e. the centrifugal ships in Interstellar, "gravity generator" in Knights of Sidonia)
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@ami_angelwings normal gravity on spaceships with no explanation whatsoever. It doesn't bother me too much since I know it's just so much easier to just ignore the whole concept, but I am always pleasantly surprised when scifi makes a point to try to explain it (i.e. the centrifugal ships in Interstellar, "gravity generator" in Knights of Sidonia)
@milla @ami_angelwings Absolutely this... They don't just generate gravity, they apparently control it entirely somehow. I'm not going to say that's truly 100% impossible because who knows, but it sure as heck is not something that can be just done without explanation, lol.
They also have some weird control over inertia that doesn't even make sense. Like the ship can go really fast and suddenly stop or turn really quickly and people don't turn into jelly or become stains on the walls.
I hate the heck out of it in most ways, but darned if The Expanse didn't get this stuff incredibly right...
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@milla @ami_angelwings Absolutely this... They don't just generate gravity, they apparently control it entirely somehow. I'm not going to say that's truly 100% impossible because who knows, but it sure as heck is not something that can be just done without explanation, lol.
They also have some weird control over inertia that doesn't even make sense. Like the ship can go really fast and suddenly stop or turn really quickly and people don't turn into jelly or become stains on the walls.
I hate the heck out of it in most ways, but darned if The Expanse didn't get this stuff incredibly right...
@nazokiyoubinbou @milla Star Trek explains the inertia stuff with "inertial dampeners" and they explain why the ship shakes when they get shot by the inertial dampeners briefly getting interrupted, there's obviously a lot to nitpick about it but at least they provide an explanation
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#QuestionOfTheDay What's something (a trope, plot point, character type, twist, technology, magic, decision, conceit of the genre/world, whatever) in fiction that you just can't buy.
i.e. you get that it's fiction, & that it's a thing that happens, or that in the fictional world it's accepted, justified, or explained, or fans love it, etc. It's not that you don't understand it, it's just that you don't buy it, it doesn't work for you, you just can't accept it or take it seriously, etc...
This is a judgement free zone (at least from my end) so if you're like "when space magic shows up I can't take it seriously" or "ppl being able to fly makes no sense to me" etc that's totally fine.
#fiction #Television #TV #manga #anime #film #movies #books #CCGs #ttrpg #videogames #comics #comicbooks
@ami_angelwings that a space ship, traveling many times faster than the speed of light, can execute a "full stop" in 10 seconds. see #StarTrek #TNG
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@nazokiyoubinbou @milla Star Trek explains the inertia stuff with "inertial dampeners" and they explain why the ship shakes when they get shot by the inertial dampeners briefly getting interrupted, there's obviously a lot to nitpick about it but at least they provide an explanation
@ami_angelwings @milla It was actually partially because of Star Trek's "inertial dampeners" that I thought of that. I don't really think that counts as an explanation, lol. That's just a "oh there's a thing for that *waves hand vaguely.*" How do they actually work? They didn't even explain it in Star Trek's magiscency ways did they? At least not that I remember ever seeing. Perhaps some materials external to the shows say something.
The thing is, how do you actually "dampen" inertia? All I could think of is if the actual insides were all sort of built on a huge suspension system. But even that couldn't really handle the sheer amount of speed that Star Trek throws at them. Even impulse power is insane.
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#QuestionOfTheDay What's something (a trope, plot point, character type, twist, technology, magic, decision, conceit of the genre/world, whatever) in fiction that you just can't buy.
i.e. you get that it's fiction, & that it's a thing that happens, or that in the fictional world it's accepted, justified, or explained, or fans love it, etc. It's not that you don't understand it, it's just that you don't buy it, it doesn't work for you, you just can't accept it or take it seriously, etc...
This is a judgement free zone (at least from my end) so if you're like "when space magic shows up I can't take it seriously" or "ppl being able to fly makes no sense to me" etc that's totally fine.
#fiction #Television #TV #manga #anime #film #movies #books #CCGs #ttrpg #videogames #comics #comicbooks
@ami_angelwings That people can be, and continue to be, incredibly, ludicrously bad at cooking like Yor in SpyxFamily.
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@ami_angelwings Two people that hate eachother ending up falling in love.
There are some situations or variations where it makes sense, but often it's like "This person is so annoying! Oops, now I'm in love!" Which just doesn't make sense to me. People who are annoying don't become attractive.@SilverGM @ami_angelwings I can see the foreshadowing of this in a book I'm currently reading, and I'm like, AYFKM? And it's supposedly one of the top 100 novels of all time.
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@ami_angelwings that a space ship, traveling many times faster than the speed of light, can execute a "full stop" in 10 seconds. see #StarTrek #TNG
@plantarum @ami_angelwings Star Trek actually works because it's using warp technology. To come to a complete stop you just simply collapse the warp bubble and stop normally. (This is theoretically not even scifi, but we're not really sure yet.)
To be more accurate, the ship isn't actually moving faster than light. It's moving at a conventional speed. The warp bubble cheats the system by moving space itself around the ship while the ship moves within it for a combined effective speed being faster than light, but neither is actually moving at or above the speed of light.
I emphasize this because the really neat thing is, it might not be impossible.
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@ami_angelwings @milla It was actually partially because of Star Trek's "inertial dampeners" that I thought of that. I don't really think that counts as an explanation, lol. That's just a "oh there's a thing for that *waves hand vaguely.*" How do they actually work? They didn't even explain it in Star Trek's magiscency ways did they? At least not that I remember ever seeing. Perhaps some materials external to the shows say something.
The thing is, how do you actually "dampen" inertia? All I could think of is if the actual insides were all sort of built on a huge suspension system. But even that couldn't really handle the sheer amount of speed that Star Trek throws at them. Even impulse power is insane.
@nazokiyoubinbou @milla https://archive.org/details/TNGTechManual/page/n4/mode/1up
If you're actually curious, it's here
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@nazokiyoubinbou @milla https://archive.org/details/TNGTechManual/page/n4/mode/1up
If you're actually curious, it's here
@nazokiyoubinbou @milla I'm not going to keep defending Star Trek, and all fiction makes up explanations and technobabble to justify stuff, but if you're actually interested in the explanations given to how things work to critique those, the technical manual has a lot of interesting detail, and also OOC notes from the behind the scenes people who acknowledge the problems with explanations or why the thing had to be invented to explain X or how they came up with it, and also the weird Easter Egg stuff like how often they reference Dirty Pair
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@plantarum @ami_angelwings Star Trek actually works because it's using warp technology. To come to a complete stop you just simply collapse the warp bubble and stop normally. (This is theoretically not even scifi, but we're not really sure yet.)
To be more accurate, the ship isn't actually moving faster than light. It's moving at a conventional speed. The warp bubble cheats the system by moving space itself around the ship while the ship moves within it for a combined effective speed being faster than light, but neither is actually moving at or above the speed of light.
I emphasize this because the really neat thing is, it might not be impossible.
@nazokiyoubinbou @plantarum I'm surprised you're the one who said this, since I said I wouldn't judge I didn't want to say anything
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@nazokiyoubinbou @milla I'm not going to keep defending Star Trek, and all fiction makes up explanations and technobabble to justify stuff, but if you're actually interested in the explanations given to how things work to critique those, the technical manual has a lot of interesting detail, and also OOC notes from the behind the scenes people who acknowledge the problems with explanations or why the thing had to be invented to explain X or how they came up with it, and also the weird Easter Egg stuff like how often they reference Dirty Pair
@ami_angelwings @milla Yeah, I see where you're coming from on that.
They definitely explained it in a Star Treky way. Looks like, in particular, it uses synthetic gravity and etc.
But it just doesn't make sense in any way that I can imagine unless you can somehow compensate by actually letting things physically move by a sufficient distance which, at impulse speed, is quite a lot. (As in more than the length of the ship I think? I'm sure the necessary numbers are in there, but it's too much work to extract and math them out.)
