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If you own glasses that record people without their consent, we can't be friend, and please don't talk to me.

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  • Em :official_verified:E This user is from outside of this forum
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    If you own glasses that record people without their consent, we can't be friend, and please don't talk to me.

    #Meta #RayBan #CreepGlasses #Consent #Privacy

    Bo MorganN さよなら皆さんS JRTJ Shoe Bill :yellowShield: :yellowHat: :yellowSparkles: :yellowFivePlus: :yellowCrown:T Michelle HughesM 8 Replies Last reply
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    • Em :official_verified:E Em :official_verified:

      If you own glasses that record people without their consent, we can't be friend, and please don't talk to me.

      #Meta #RayBan #CreepGlasses #Consent #Privacy

      Bo MorganN This user is from outside of this forum
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      @Em0nM4stodon What about recording ICE and police?

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        @Em0nM4stodon What about recording ICE and police?

        Em :official_verified:E This user is from outside of this forum
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        @neptune22222 Use your phone.

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          @neptune22222 Use your phone.

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          @Em0nM4stodon What if my glasses are FOSH, secure and private?

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          • Em :official_verified:E Em :official_verified:

            If you own glasses that record people without their consent, we can't be friend, and please don't talk to me.

            #Meta #RayBan #CreepGlasses #Consent #Privacy

            さよなら皆さんS This user is from outside of this forum
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            @Em0nM4stodon if I see this, I am taking out my phone, launching the camera app and sticking it right in the face of the person wearing these spy devices. Creepy as fuck.

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            • Em :official_verified:E Em :official_verified:

              If you own glasses that record people without their consent, we can't be friend, and please don't talk to me.

              #Meta #RayBan #CreepGlasses #Consent #Privacy

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              @Em0nM4stodon Glassholes!

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              • Bo MorganN Bo Morgan

                @Em0nM4stodon What if my glasses are FOSH, secure and private?

                Em :official_verified:E This user is from outside of this forum
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                @neptune22222 If you're filming people without their knowledge and consent (unless it's in the public interest like recording police work), this is still wrong and creepy.

                And even for public interest reporting, your camera should be visible.

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                • Em :official_verified:E Em :official_verified:

                  @neptune22222 If you're filming people without their knowledge and consent (unless it's in the public interest like recording police work), this is still wrong and creepy.

                  And even for public interest reporting, your camera should be visible.

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                  @Em0nM4stodon

                  Right, I'm just making the point that whether it is a phone or glasses makes no difference.

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                  • Em :official_verified:E Em :official_verified:

                    If you own glasses that record people without their consent, we can't be friend, and please don't talk to me.

                    #Meta #RayBan #CreepGlasses #Consent #Privacy

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                    @Em0nM4stodon

                    I agree with you, first off.

                    Also, I have no idea what the laws are like in Canada or anywhere else outside of the US.

                    That having been said…

                     

                    Recording Video in Public Places

                    Recording video in public is generally permissible in places like public parks, city streets, and sidewalks, where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy. This means that if something is visible to the naked eye in a public space, you can record it. This principle extends to filming government buildings and the actions of public officials, like police officers, performing their duties in public.

                    This right does not extend into areas that, while publicly accessible, are considered private. The key determinant is the “reasonable expectation of privacy,” meaning you cannot use technology to see through the walls of a private home from a public street. The legal framework protects what people can plainly see, not what can be captured with invasive technology.

                    The Legality of Recording Audio

                    Capturing audio is governed by stricter laws than recording video alone, due to federal and state wiretapping statutes. The federal Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA), often called the Wiretap Act, makes it illegal to intentionally intercept any wire, oral, or electronic communication. A violation of this act can lead to both criminal penalties and civil lawsuits.

                    The federal law, and the laws in a majority of states, operate under a “one-party consent” rule. This means you can legally record a conversation if you are a party to that conversation, as your participation implies your own consent. Most states and the District of Columbia follow this standard.

                    A number of states, however, have enacted more stringent “all-party consent” laws. In these jurisdictions, you must obtain permission from everyone involved in a private conversation to legally record it. States with all-party consent laws include:

                    • California
                    • Florida
                    • Pennsylvania
                    • Washington

                    If a conversation involves participants in different states, the best practice is to adhere to the strictest applicable law, which is the all-party consent rule.

                    Source: https://legalclarity.org/are-camera-glasses-legal-video-and-audio-recording-laws/

                     

                    Obligatory: I'm not a lawyer.

                    It seems to me like, at least most places in the U.S., the fact that it records video is a non-issue while in public, at least in the legal sense, but also like the fact that it records audio could very easily make it illegal in public.

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                      @Em0nM4stodon

                      Right, I'm just making the point that whether it is a phone or glasses makes no difference.

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                      @neptune22222 Yes, it does. People don't assume you are filming them when you are just wearing glasses. Most people with a rectangle pointed at them will suspect you might be filming them. The fact that it's disguised as glasses to record people without their knowledge matters a lot.

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                      • Em :official_verified:E Em :official_verified:

                        @neptune22222 Yes, it does. People don't assume you are filming them when you are just wearing glasses. Most people with a rectangle pointed at them will suspect you might be filming them. The fact that it's disguised as glasses to record people without their knowledge matters a lot.

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                        @Em0nM4stodon

                        People walk around with their phones in front of them, as if they are video chatting, all of the time.

                        If someone is secretly recording video and audio of other people, that's creepy, independent of form factor.

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                          @Em0nM4stodon

                          I agree with you, first off.

                          Also, I have no idea what the laws are like in Canada or anywhere else outside of the US.

                          That having been said…

                           

                          Recording Video in Public Places

                          Recording video in public is generally permissible in places like public parks, city streets, and sidewalks, where there is no reasonable expectation of privacy. This means that if something is visible to the naked eye in a public space, you can record it. This principle extends to filming government buildings and the actions of public officials, like police officers, performing their duties in public.

                          This right does not extend into areas that, while publicly accessible, are considered private. The key determinant is the “reasonable expectation of privacy,” meaning you cannot use technology to see through the walls of a private home from a public street. The legal framework protects what people can plainly see, not what can be captured with invasive technology.

                          The Legality of Recording Audio

                          Capturing audio is governed by stricter laws than recording video alone, due to federal and state wiretapping statutes. The federal Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA), often called the Wiretap Act, makes it illegal to intentionally intercept any wire, oral, or electronic communication. A violation of this act can lead to both criminal penalties and civil lawsuits.

                          The federal law, and the laws in a majority of states, operate under a “one-party consent” rule. This means you can legally record a conversation if you are a party to that conversation, as your participation implies your own consent. Most states and the District of Columbia follow this standard.

                          A number of states, however, have enacted more stringent “all-party consent” laws. In these jurisdictions, you must obtain permission from everyone involved in a private conversation to legally record it. States with all-party consent laws include:

                          • California
                          • Florida
                          • Pennsylvania
                          • Washington

                          If a conversation involves participants in different states, the best practice is to adhere to the strictest applicable law, which is the all-party consent rule.

                          Source: https://legalclarity.org/are-camera-glasses-legal-video-and-audio-recording-laws/

                           

                          Obligatory: I'm not a lawyer.

                          It seems to me like, at least most places in the U.S., the fact that it records video is a non-issue while in public, at least in the legal sense, but also like the fact that it records audio could very easily make it illegal in public.

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                          @the There is a difference between legal and ethical. I care much less about the former than the latter.

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                            @Em0nM4stodon

                            People walk around with their phones in front of them, as if they are video chatting, all of the time.

                            If someone is secretly recording video and audio of other people, that's creepy, independent of form factor.

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                            @neptune22222 Yes, it's creepy too. Making this practice possible with glasses as well is doubly creepy, and needs to be pushed back against.

                            It's not because it's already wrong with phones that it's okay to add glasses to the abuse repertoire.

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                            • Em :official_verified:E Em :official_verified:

                              @the There is a difference between legal and ethical. I care much less about the former than the latter.

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                              @Em0nM4stodon

                              So do I. I also like to know how to get someone on a technicality when they're doing something unethical.

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                              • Bo MorganN Bo Morgan

                                @Em0nM4stodon

                                People walk around with their phones in front of them, as if they are video chatting, all of the time.

                                If someone is secretly recording video and audio of other people, that's creepy, independent of form factor.

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                                @Em0nM4stodon

                                It's a slightly separate topic, but I'm interested in building and selling FOSH headsets for low vision people to see better. It's an accessibility medical product idea with important privacy and security considerations. The product *could* record people in a creepy way, if it is built in an insecure and non-private way, but it's important to establish non-creepy glasses for these purposes and other useful purposes.

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                                • Bo MorganN Bo Morgan

                                  @Em0nM4stodon

                                  It's a slightly separate topic, but I'm interested in building and selling FOSH headsets for low vision people to see better. It's an accessibility medical product idea with important privacy and security considerations. The product *could* record people in a creepy way, if it is built in an insecure and non-private way, but it's important to establish non-creepy glasses for these purposes and other useful purposes.

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                                  @Em0nM4stodon Recognizing that Facebook should be boycotted in general is also a good idea, but also unrelated to glasses.

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                                  • Bo MorganN Bo Morgan

                                    @Em0nM4stodon

                                    It's a slightly separate topic, but I'm interested in building and selling FOSH headsets for low vision people to see better. It's an accessibility medical product idea with important privacy and security considerations. The product *could* record people in a creepy way, if it is built in an insecure and non-private way, but it's important to establish non-creepy glasses for these purposes and other useful purposes.

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                                    @neptune22222 It doesn't have to be glasses then. It could be an offline camera wore in the neck using bright colors, and with clear warnings to people around that this device is recording but doesn't share data externally and is an assistive device. There are ways to build assistive technologies without infringing other people's rights and safety and feeding mass surveillance.

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                                    • Em :official_verified:E Em :official_verified:

                                      @neptune22222 It doesn't have to be glasses then. It could be an offline camera wore in the neck using bright colors, and with clear warnings to people around that this device is recording but doesn't share data externally and is an assistive device. There are ways to build assistive technologies without infringing other people's rights and safety and feeding mass surveillance.

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                                      @Em0nM4stodon

                                      The FOSH assistive glasses that I'm planning to build would require being glasses, but your point about them being a bright color is a good idea. I need to study more about how to guarantee that they do not record, which I think is unnecessary for the use cases that I think would be most immediately useful for low vision people. I think brand trust is necessary but not sufficient. For example, some people trust Apple, while I don't.

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                                      • Em :official_verified:E Em :official_verified:

                                        If you own glasses that record people without their consent, we can't be friend, and please don't talk to me.

                                        #Meta #RayBan #CreepGlasses #Consent #Privacy

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                                        @Em0nM4stodon

                                        I don't only want them to not talk to me; I don't want them to look in my direction.

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                                        • Bo MorganN Bo Morgan

                                          @Em0nM4stodon

                                          People walk around with their phones in front of them, as if they are video chatting, all of the time.

                                          If someone is secretly recording video and audio of other people, that's creepy, independent of form factor.

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                                          @neptune22222 @Em0nM4stodon "Secretly recording" is an actual crime in Massachusetts. It's not just creepy.

                                          Open recording is not a crime.

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