NATO is over now.

@CptSuperlative
BTW, my strong suspicion is that Brexit was aimed at the UK specifically to remove a nuclear-weapons-capable state from the EU.

@OneInterestingFact
The term you're looking for is "chinese copy". (Yeah I know, very 1960s "Asiatic horde", but "unlicensed" doesn't evoke the historical parallels.)
One of the interesting(!) things which is probably going to develop from this is the collapse of the international patent system. Fun times.

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I'm not sure I was.

Yes, the whole of the post WW2 rules based order is under threat.

In time those companies can find alternatives. We still have to deal with the *meantime* and from where I sit on Airstrip One there's little evidence that "our" political leaders have begun to think about how to disengage.

@isaackuo

I’m not sure I agree. Disagreement is one thing but having to prepare for invasion by an “ally” is a bit more extreme. Plus, Europe sans US is more of an independent institutional unit now than at any other time in history - one with the institutional memory and understanding of such an alliance.

But, I suppose, my main point is that I’m not trying to prescribe as much as I’m hoping to describe.

@madengineering

@CptSuperlative @madengineering As bad as this Greenland thing is, I'm still going to say the long standing ongoing Greece-Turkey tensions are worse for NATO unity. NATO has had to face down Turkish invasion plans, and that's a tension point that's not going to go away if there's some change in Turkish and/or Greek leadership.

My judgement assumes that this Greenland thing doesn't turn into WWIII, of course, and Europeans and Canadians make Trump chicken out.

@caoilte @OneInterestingFact @CptSuperlative
yeah, the EU needs to band together like never before, or it will be torn apart

Russia will invade and the US (Trump) is going to refuse to get involved unless it becomes a US commonwealth or something as nonsensical

it needs to become independent of US big tech, software and hardware, just for starters

it needs an army, a nuclear deterrent, Godzilla, something to make it a pain in the ass for these dictatorships to try to control directly or indirectly

@thomas_klopf @CptSuperlative it isn’t #trump the democrats need to overcome. It’s “ugly Americans” and #fascist #truebelievers that now are the majority of the USA population. It is our culture that defines us, not the miscreants leading us.

@CptSuperlative@toot.cat i agree with you that NATO is dead, but you seem to have a high level of faith in the ability of european democracies to adapt to the changing situation all things being equal, fascism is on the rise in europe as much as anywhere else, i think there would need to be a massive political realignment, not just on the issue of nato, but against trans national corporations, in defense of commons etc.

@Phosphenes @CptSuperlative @madengineering Brazil? The country whose leader gladly visited Putin in May last year? No thanks.

@tml @CptSuperlative @madengineering

Oh I didn't realize that, just looked it up.

It's hard to keep up:

Trump loves Putin
Bolsonaro hates Da Silva
Trump loves Bolsonaro
(Trump hates Da Silva?)
Da Silva loves Putin

The alliances are crazy. 🤪

@bellinghman @tbn97 @CptSuperlative Canada and Denmark even have a land border these days. That little island they both claimed, and which their navies took turns raising a flag and leaving a bottle of akvavit or whisky on, has now been split between them with a border down the middle.