did my civic duty today:went to a local donut shopnoticed they had a new ring camera up
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@Viss
Lesson learned.I will add, that I see lots of people posting claims on Mastodon which on reflex I agree with and am tempted to pass along. However, if it is something I have not seen other information on, I will check it out myself. That way I am not unintentionally spreading misinformation.
The right has made a meal out of posting lies and spreading unfounded fear knowing that their base will not verify their claims. I think those of us on the other side, should strive to be better.
I think those of us on the other side, should strive to be better.
Couldn't agree more with this. If we're going to fight ignorance, we can't fight it with more ignorance. There are plenty of real terrible things happening for us to be upset about. We should be careful we're not making up fake terrible things to be mad about at well.
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@Viss “Ring does not provide ICE with direct, free, or automatic access to user camera footage. While Ring has partnered with Flock Safety to aid local law enforcement, Ring has stated that it does not share footage with federal immigration authorities. However, law enforcement can request footage via legal processes or through user consent, and local, state, or federal authorities might still access footage via partnerships with third-party, surveillance-integrated platforms.”
Google Search@horqua "however"
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@Viss what a time to be alive huh.
It is literally like "Yo we got Nazis, but they are supported by everyday tech bought by everyday people."
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which allows local law enforcement agencies to request video from Ring customers who use its Neighbors app
So, if a local law enforcement agency is collaborating with ICE, and the local cops request access to the video from the customer, and the customer uses Ring's Neighbors app, and the Ring user allows local cops to have access to their feed, then, yes, ICE can see it.
But no, according to all verifiable information, having a Ring camera doesn't automatically mean ICE can spy on your video feed.
If you don't want to use the camera on principle because Flock is terrible (they are), and local cops shouldn't give ICE access to their surveillance network (they shouldn't), that's totally valid.
But don't just make stuff up.
I find it absurd that you blocked me for merely summarizing what the article said, and pointing out the relevant points that respond to your claim.
Not that you'll read this, since you blocked me.
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@Viss wait what?! I mean over the last year I stumbled over countless, independent reports of Ring-to-ICE, and I even dont wanted that in the first place.
So. Very. Reality. Filtering.
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@Viss wait what?! I mean over the last year I stumbled over countless, independent reports of Ring-to-ICE, and I even dont wanted that in the first place.
So. Very. Reality. Filtering.
@ppxl scroll through the replies, man, theyre public
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@Viss oh the first couple presented to me didn't seem so. But jeez. In a timeline like this giving bad actors the benefit of the doubt is absolutely cray-cray or even lip service
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@Viss oh the first couple presented to me didn't seem so. But jeez. In a timeline like this giving bad actors the benefit of the doubt is absolutely cray-cray or even lip service
@ppxl exactly
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@ewhac i have not personally seen a bunch of press about it, but if theyre run by amazon, its definitely worth looking into.
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@hosford42 @ewhac any camera with a corporation in the middle is suspect
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@503bartley @Viss Link unshortened, if anyone is interested: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/10/ring-cameras-are-about-to-get-increasingly-chummy-with-law-enforcement/
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@lizzard @ahltorp @zymurgic no no you see they just say that the only 'personal information' on your accuont is your bio or some shit, and simply renaming your account to 'deleted account' is somehow sufficient, this is fucking everywhere, discord does this regardlesss of region, so does matrix, and a bunch of other shit,
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which allows local law enforcement agencies to request video from Ring customers who use its Neighbors app
So, if a local law enforcement agency is collaborating with ICE, and the local cops request access to the video from the customer, and the customer uses Ring's Neighbors app, and the Ring user allows local cops to have access to their feed, then, yes, ICE can see it.
But no, according to all verifiable information, having a Ring camera doesn't automatically mean ICE can spy on your video feed.
If you don't want to use the camera on principle because Flock is terrible (they are), and local cops shouldn't give ICE access to their surveillance network (they shouldn't), that's totally valid.
But don't just make stuff up.
God, man, you know, your Alexa device also sends recordings to be listened to by auditors "for quality control".
But in reality that's just a fig leaf in the EULA.You know how corporations work, right? Anything you've signed off on is their property. You sign the EULA that say they may do X for the purpose of Y, and you should very well damn know they are going to grab every X and keep, regardless of any Y. You signed off that they can grab it, and they don't have to prove it's for the purpose of Y.
Sucker.
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which allows local law enforcement agencies to request video from Ring customers who use its Neighbors app
So, if a local law enforcement agency is collaborating with ICE, and the local cops request access to the video from the customer, and the customer uses Ring's Neighbors app, and the Ring user allows local cops to have access to their feed, then, yes, ICE can see it.
But no, according to all verifiable information, having a Ring camera doesn't automatically mean ICE can spy on your video feed.
If you don't want to use the camera on principle because Flock is terrible (they are), and local cops shouldn't give ICE access to their surveillance network (they shouldn't), that's totally valid.
But don't just make stuff up.
Just pointing out here that ICE are not respecting any laws, have been promised total immunity and ARE searching everything without bothering with warrants.
The entire US government is blithely ignoring the law as well as court decisions, and threatening any tech that resists them.
You do not give an authoritarian state extra eyes. Ever. Not even if it's a mere possibility.
And that is all I will say in this discussion.
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did my civic duty today:
went to a local donut shop
noticed they had a new ring camera up.
i ask the nice hispanic girl behind the counter "hey you know ice can see through that ring camera, right?"
she goes UHHHH NO WTF I HAVE ONE AT HOME
"tear it out of the wall. yank the power. ring gives ice free access to those"@Viss that's great. Ring is basically a bug that people voluntarily put inside their homes, kinda insane.
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@lizzard @ahltorp @zymurgic @Li@tech.lgbt money paid for the subscription still goes to Bezos, that’s why I will replace mine this summer when the sub is up for renewal.
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Just pointing out here that ICE are not respecting any laws, have been promised total immunity and ARE searching everything without bothering with warrants.
The entire US government is blithely ignoring the law as well as court decisions, and threatening any tech that resists them.
You do not give an authoritarian state extra eyes. Ever. Not even if it's a mere possibility.
And that is all I will say in this discussion.
Those are all good and valid points.
Also, if you simply don't trust Ring to abide by the safeguards they claim to have in place, that's also valid.
Personally, I think having any camera that is connected to any sort of publicly available cloud is risky, because we've seen that the NSA has no problem hacking servers like that to increase their public surveillance network, and I have no doubt that the NSA would also help ICE in whatever crap they want to pull.
And if you don't want to use a Ring camera simply because they have any sort of agreement with Falcon, since Falcon is a terrible thing that shouldn't exist at all, that's also valid.
But it's important that we're not simply sharing rage bait without actually confirming the veracity of the statements first. The Trump regime and its allies use lies and misinformation to scare people into agreeing with them. It's important that we who oppose them don't use the same tactic.
So, we should be careful not to make up, or share unsubstantiated claims like "Every Ring camera is a surveillance tool for ICE", which the evidence doesn't show.
Tell people the truth.
Tell people that Ring works with local law enforcement, who works with ICE, and it's possible that ICE could see your camera feed. And that Ring says that safeguards are in place to ensure that the feed is only shared with your permission, but that those safeguards might not be sufficient, and that, in your opinion, it's not worth taking the risk.
@Firlefanz@writing.exchange @Viss@mastodon.social @Herndonite@mastodon.online
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did my civic duty today:
went to a local donut shop
noticed they had a new ring camera up.
i ask the nice hispanic girl behind the counter "hey you know ice can see through that ring camera, right?"
she goes UHHHH NO WTF I HAVE ONE AT HOME
"tear it out of the wall. yank the power. ring gives ice free access to those"@Viss Thank you for your service! https://www.hamiltonnolan.com/p/remove-your-ring-camera-with-a-claw
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did my civic duty today:
went to a local donut shop
noticed they had a new ring camera up.
i ask the nice hispanic girl behind the counter "hey you know ice can see through that ring camera, right?"
she goes UHHHH NO WTF I HAVE ONE AT HOME
"tear it out of the wall. yank the power. ring gives ice free access to those"
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