I keep coming back to what Kevin Kruse said here: the Trump regime is trying to get an ICE officer killed.

@inthehands not really keen to read it after your previous reply

@sortius Lastly, mostly for others reading the replies because I am probably about to block you for your obnoxiousness:

https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/115866146267364003

@inthehands mate, you're the obnoxious one.

Your country has fallen and you're talking about pretext. They shot someone in broad daylight in front of cameras and witnesses.

They do not care, and you're the problem, along with everyone sitting there saying "let's put on frog suits"

@sortius@infosec.exchange Already blocked him, but just one more to close out the thread, in case anybody else from halfway around the world wants to splain my city to me:

https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/110079454709159458

@inthehands Very plausible. Especially since that's the same script as Jan6. Then it eventually became clear the idea was to see Pence or Pelosi or, hell, any old Congresscritter or recognizable name killed. That would open the way to declaring martial law (or facsimile thereof using some pet agency?).

@inthehands surely the leopards won't eat THEIR face?

@inthehands boosting though my boost would do nothing to help (i.e., get this message to people who are ICE agents who may still be under any illusions that they are serving the right people somehow)

@apophis @inthehands anyone who joins ICE already knows they arnt the good guys and doesn't care. They're here specifically to kill and traffic people

@sortius @inthehands You’re not missing anything beyond an anecdote about earmuffs and a tacit dismissal of your POV because you don’t live here (which isn’t really much of a counter argument).

But I do and I absolutely agree with the person that doesn’t live here, who can see things more clearly IMO.

If an ICE agent gets killed or not only tweaks the existing situation at the margins. They can make that happen themselves or fabricate the situation as needed, frankly.

@inthehands oh, more than a couple.

@inthehands They came close with that gun nut getting murdered on stage, but didn't quite get their Horst Wessel moment. That's what they're gunning for.

I wonder what their Reichstag Fire will be?

@yohan @apophis

Indeed, but I’ll bet they aren’t here specifically to get killed so they can be right-wing meme fodder

@sortius @inthehands There isn’t some escalating rule book here, where if A happens, then B happens, it all tips over and it’s game over.

You have a regime of power hungry opportunists who will seize or fabricate any situation needed to further entrench and enrich themselves. We’ve already tipped over; it’s just a matter of degree and whether or not it’s reversible, and to what degree, if at all.

Anyone that has lived elsewhere will be familiar with what’s going on here.

@inthehands One of the scary things is that a bunch of the ICE goons are absolutely True Believers in their mission, and they have already convinced themselves they are going up against the worst of the worst. So they'd probably be horrifyingly okay with giving their life for the cause. They think they'll be remembered as a martyred hero. They think the crackdown following their death will be righteous.

When Trump sends them, they are on a mission from God.

@brad

They milked Kirk for all they could, but the problem was he was murdered by a fellow right-winger, and he wasn’t a federal official. That doesn’t create enough political and popular support to allow martial law or similar.

@wrosecrans

I think that’s all exactly right. I just don’t think they believe that their boss’s boss is •trying• to get them killed.

@inthehands @apophis I never said that

@yohan @apophis

No, I did in the OP

@inthehands reminds me of this Onion headline

@inthehands they already openly want us dead.

If the """"opposition"""" continues to refuse to use the non-violent leverage they already have, eventually provoking a violent overreaction may be the only way to get out of this