To the #VoteBlue people in the USA: Yes, voting for the #Democrats _is_ necessary in all upcoming elections.
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To the #VoteBlue people in the USA: Yes, voting for the #Democrats _is_ necessary in all upcoming elections. But you also need to realize that the anger at the Democratic Party establishment is both real and entirely justified, and you should understand where that anger is coming from.
To quote the "Letter from a Birmingham Jail":
'First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”'
@juergen_hubert I would slightly disagree about it being necessary to vote blue in *all* elections. But I'm in Rhode Island where many (probably most) elections have no Republicans running at all. So if you've only got a Democrat and a socialist on the ballot...*absolutely* vote for the socialist lol
Popular vote doesn't always matter and blocking MAGA isn't always a factor. So look at local conditions and work strategically to boot out the fascists, the billionaires, the corrupt nepo-babies, and anyone else who isn't fighting for our liberation!
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To the #VoteBlue people in the USA: Yes, voting for the #Democrats _is_ necessary in all upcoming elections. But you also need to realize that the anger at the Democratic Party establishment is both real and entirely justified, and you should understand where that anger is coming from.
To quote the "Letter from a Birmingham Jail":
'First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”'
@juergen_hubert We need to be much louder in calling out the right for what they are: evil and stupid. If you call yourself a moderate because you're uncomfortable calling people out for being evil and stupid, you're part of the problem and will be remembered as such. (Using the hypothetical "you" here, not saying that *you* are doing this)
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To the #VoteBlue people in the USA: Yes, voting for the #Democrats _is_ necessary in all upcoming elections. But you also need to realize that the anger at the Democratic Party establishment is both real and entirely justified, and you should understand where that anger is coming from.
To quote the "Letter from a Birmingham Jail":
'First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”'
@juergen_hubert voting blue uncritically is why the USA is here. Lack of useful third parties. Lack or PR. USA citizens need to revise we the constitution... Somehow. In Canada, our "Liberals" have moved seriously to the right.under the guise of being unified against Trump. I am very scared under Carney.
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To the #VoteBlue people in the USA: Yes, voting for the #Democrats _is_ necessary in all upcoming elections. But you also need to realize that the anger at the Democratic Party establishment is both real and entirely justified, and you should understand where that anger is coming from.
To quote the "Letter from a Birmingham Jail":
'First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”'
a focus on the dem estbmnt is a red herring
of course they suck
#mamdani showed us just show up and #vote for who we like. he got no support from the estbmnt, even hostility. now he's mayor
because we voted!
the dem estbmnt is not going to change. does it matter? why should we care?
1. ignore them
2. vote
*especially #primaries #primaries2026*
3. and replace them
et voila
voter anger is not the fault of #democrats
the dems being shit is the fault of people not voting
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a focus on the dem estbmnt is a red herring
of course they suck
#mamdani showed us just show up and #vote for who we like. he got no support from the estbmnt, even hostility. now he's mayor
because we voted!
the dem estbmnt is not going to change. does it matter? why should we care?
1. ignore them
2. vote
*especially #primaries #primaries2026*
3. and replace them
et voila
voter anger is not the fault of #democrats
the dems being shit is the fault of people not voting
@benroyce @juergen_hubert The problem with that strategy is that most of the people who get a vote on who is part of that establishment are chosen not by the voters but by the members of the current establishment...
Look at how the membership is selected:
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@benroyce @juergen_hubert The problem with that strategy is that most of the people who get a vote on who is part of that establishment are chosen not by the voters but by the members of the current establishment...
Look at how the membership is selected:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committeeand how do you change that?
you show the fuck up and vote
a change of leadership means a change of policy
what does not voting lead to?
more of the same
stop setting roadblocks in your mind before you participate
participate, participate, participate
that is the only way to get the change we need
meanwhile, people just sitting things out until the democratic establishment magically changes is a fucking joke. lack of participation is *exactly* why things suck
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and how do you change that?
you show the fuck up and vote
a change of leadership means a change of policy
what does not voting lead to?
more of the same
stop setting roadblocks in your mind before you participate
participate, participate, participate
that is the only way to get the change we need
meanwhile, people just sitting things out until the democratic establishment magically changes is a fucking joke. lack of participation is *exactly* why things suck
@benroyce @juergen_hubert How? Are you saying to break into the DNC and steal the ballots or something? WE DON'T GET TO VOTE ON THIS!
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@benroyce @juergen_hubert How? Are you saying to break into the DNC and steal the ballots or something? WE DON'T GET TO VOTE ON THIS!
OMFG WE'RE DOOMED FOR ETERNITY WE HAVE NO AGENCY
you vote. you replace the leadership. you change the policy
hello?
will you stop fucking hiding and buried in deranged fears? it's fucking weak and embarrassing. part of the reason we're here is people who think just like you. fight, motherfucker
did you learn nothing from mamdani's run?
and how do we get more mamdanis?
via my words here
meanwhile your way is defeat, because you won't fucking fight!
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OMFG WE'RE DOOMED FOR ETERNITY WE HAVE NO AGENCY
you vote. you replace the leadership. you change the policy
hello?
will you stop fucking hiding and buried in deranged fears? it's fucking weak and embarrassing. part of the reason we're here is people who think just like you. fight, motherfucker
did you learn nothing from mamdani's run?
and how do we get more mamdanis?
via my words here
meanwhile your way is defeat, because you won't fucking fight!
@benroyce @juergen_hubert Mamdani isn't party leadership.
Party leadership is elected by ~400 people who are chosen by party leadership. They pick their voters and they ain't picking you or me.
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@benroyce @juergen_hubert Mamdani isn't party leadership.
Party leadership is elected by ~400 people who are chosen by party leadership. They pick their voters and they ain't picking you or me.
and who makes up party leadership deep thinker? what happens if we get 50 mamdanis? and how do we get 50 mamdanis?
HELLO, ANYONE HOME?
i'll give you some time to work through the fucking obvious and abandon your defense of cowardice
your way is no more mamdanis. because integalactic omnipotent alien dem establishment we are powerless to change
fucking weak you are the problem
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and who makes up party leadership deep thinker? what happens if we get 50 mamdanis? and how do we get 50 mamdanis?
HELLO, ANYONE HOME?
i'll give you some time to work through the fucking obvious and abandon your defense of cowardice
your way is no more mamdanis. because integalactic omnipotent alien dem establishment we are powerless to change
fucking weak you are the problem
@benroyce @juergen_hubert Mamdani might not get a vote for party leadership either. Read the link I sent you earlier, it lists who gets a votes. There are three mayors selected so *maybe* he could get one of those, but it's not clear who chooses which three.
But there's 200 people selected by the state party organizations, and 75 selected by national party leaders that aren't necessarily elected politicians at all.
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@benroyce @juergen_hubert Mamdani might not get a vote for party leadership either. Read the link I sent you earlier, it lists who gets a votes. There are three mayors selected so *maybe* he could get one of those, but it's not clear who chooses which three.
But there's 200 people selected by the state party organizations, and 75 selected by national party leaders that aren't necessarily elected politicians at all.
i completely understand you
mental roadblock, mental roadblock, mental roadblock
helplessness, weakness, cowardice, defeatism, pessimism, cynicism
i get it
thank you for painting a picture for everyone else reading along why the left is so FUCKED in this stupid fucking country
you are the problem. you and all the other spineless turds out there are the author of our misery
LISTEN TO ME:
you vote
in the primaries
you get more mamdanis
we win
capisce?
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i completely understand you
mental roadblock, mental roadblock, mental roadblock
helplessness, weakness, cowardice, defeatism, pessimism, cynicism
i get it
thank you for painting a picture for everyone else reading along why the left is so FUCKED in this stupid fucking country
you are the problem. you and all the other spineless turds out there are the author of our misery
LISTEN TO ME:
you vote
in the primaries
you get more mamdanis
we win
capisce?
@benroyce @juergen_hubert And every single election election you have to fight against the party that's supposed to be supporting you -- just like Mamdani did -- because you have no way to change the party itself!
If we can get these people elected as Democrats despite the Democrats fighting against us the entire way then we can certainly get them elected under a party that supports them or even just gets out of their way. AIUI Mamdani's campaign was largely run not by the Democratic party but by the fucking DSA. So maybe the DSA should form a party.
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@benroyce @juergen_hubert And every single election election you have to fight against the party that's supposed to be supporting you -- just like Mamdani did -- because you have no way to change the party itself!
If we can get these people elected as Democrats despite the Democrats fighting against us the entire way then we can certainly get them elected under a party that supports them or even just gets out of their way. AIUI Mamdani's campaign was largely run not by the Democratic party but by the fucking DSA. So maybe the DSA should form a party.
you have to fight against the party to take over the party, absolutely
then once we control it, they support us
HELLO
are you trolling? what are you doing?
"So maybe the DSA should form a party"
oh yeah, divide the left vote in an FPTP voting system to guarantee 100 years of MAGA, real smart
no: the DSA *takes over the democratic party*
what is mamdani if not the beachhead for this winning strategy?
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you have to fight against the party to take over the party, absolutely
then once we control it, they support us
HELLO
are you trolling? what are you doing?
"So maybe the DSA should form a party"
oh yeah, divide the left vote in an FPTP voting system to guarantee 100 years of MAGA, real smart
no: the DSA *takes over the democratic party*
what is mamdani if not the beachhead for this winning strategy?
@benroyce @juergen_hubert DSA *has* taken over the Democratic party at state levels. It doesn't work. The Democratic Party destroyed everything they could on the way out the door, leaving them to build a new party from scratch anyway, and then the national party and the wealthy donors built a new Democratic Party organization to oppose them.
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@benroyce @juergen_hubert DSA *has* taken over the Democratic party at state levels. It doesn't work. The Democratic Party destroyed everything they could on the way out the door, leaving them to build a new party from scratch anyway, and then the national party and the wealthy donors built a new Democratic Party organization to oppose them.
i swear to god you have to be the most spineless whiny motherfucker i've met in a long time
yes: everything is hopeless, because enough people exist like you who are hopeless
do you have the faintest fucking perception in that head of yours that your piss poor attitude is a problem? have you ever heard of self-fulfilling prophecy?
you've given up before you've begun to fight. therefore you lose. absolutely, that is what will happen! because of your attitude
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i swear to god you have to be the most spineless whiny motherfucker i've met in a long time
yes: everything is hopeless, because enough people exist like you who are hopeless
do you have the faintest fucking perception in that head of yours that your piss poor attitude is a problem? have you ever heard of self-fulfilling prophecy?
you've given up before you've begun to fight. therefore you lose. absolutely, that is what will happen! because of your attitude
@benroyce @juergen_hubert I got plenty of hope. Hope that we can actually change things. Hope that we can do something other than the same damn strategy that's been failing for decades already. You're the one that seems to be saying that the only option is to settle in and enjoy the status quo.
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@benroyce @juergen_hubert I got plenty of hope. Hope that we can actually change things. Hope that we can do something other than the same damn strategy that's been failing for decades already. You're the one that seems to be saying that the only option is to settle in and enjoy the status quo.
@benroyce @juergen_hubert My state has been voting for Democrats almost exclusively since the 80s. I must have missed the part where that fixed everything.
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@benroyce @juergen_hubert My state has been voting for Democrats almost exclusively since the 80s. I must have missed the part where that fixed everything.
Then propose an alternative approach. We can't start a third party in our stupid fucking voting system. So we're stuck with having to take over the dems. Im not calling it easy. Im calling it our only way forward. And youre not helping. And why? Third party dreams in RI (i think you're in RI)? Would you excuse me if i said this focus of yours is rather immaterial to national concerns? Please scope your words to national concerns and not your goals in RI
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Then propose an alternative approach. We can't start a third party in our stupid fucking voting system. So we're stuck with having to take over the dems. Im not calling it easy. Im calling it our only way forward. And youre not helping. And why? Third party dreams in RI (i think you're in RI)? Would you excuse me if i said this focus of yours is rather immaterial to national concerns? Please scope your words to national concerns and not your goals in RI
@benroyce @juergen_hubert You can't go zero to national, doesn't matter if you're taking over the Dems or building something new. You start in the states you can change and you build from there. It's gonna take some time unfortunately. Should have started years ago, but second best time is now.
Dumping FPTP would be a great step too, there's efforts to do that as well in plenty of places, including here in RI.