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  3. To the #VoteBlue people in the USA: Yes, voting for the #Democrats _is_ necessary in all upcoming elections.

To the #VoteBlue people in the USA: Yes, voting for the #Democrats _is_ necessary in all upcoming elections.

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  • Jürgen HubertJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    To the #VoteBlue people in the USA: Yes, voting for the #Democrats _is_ necessary in all upcoming elections. But you also need to realize that the anger at the Democratic Party establishment is both real and entirely justified, and you should understand where that anger is coming from.

    To quote the "Letter from a Birmingham Jail":

    'First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”'

    https://letterfromjail.com/

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    • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

      To the #VoteBlue people in the USA: Yes, voting for the #Democrats _is_ necessary in all upcoming elections. But you also need to realize that the anger at the Democratic Party establishment is both real and entirely justified, and you should understand where that anger is coming from.

      To quote the "Letter from a Birmingham Jail":

      'First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”'

      https://letterfromjail.com/

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      @juergen_hubert I would slightly disagree about it being necessary to vote blue in *all* elections. But I'm in Rhode Island where many (probably most) elections have no Republicans running at all. So if you've only got a Democrat and a socialist on the ballot...*absolutely* vote for the socialist lol

      Popular vote doesn't always matter and blocking MAGA isn't always a factor. So look at local conditions and work strategically to boot out the fascists, the billionaires, the corrupt nepo-babies, and anyone else who isn't fighting for our liberation!

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      • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

        To the #VoteBlue people in the USA: Yes, voting for the #Democrats _is_ necessary in all upcoming elections. But you also need to realize that the anger at the Democratic Party establishment is both real and entirely justified, and you should understand where that anger is coming from.

        To quote the "Letter from a Birmingham Jail":

        'First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”'

        https://letterfromjail.com/

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        @juergen_hubert We need to be much louder in calling out the right for what they are: evil and stupid. If you call yourself a moderate because you're uncomfortable calling people out for being evil and stupid, you're part of the problem and will be remembered as such. (Using the hypothetical "you" here, not saying that *you* are doing this)

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        • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

          To the #VoteBlue people in the USA: Yes, voting for the #Democrats _is_ necessary in all upcoming elections. But you also need to realize that the anger at the Democratic Party establishment is both real and entirely justified, and you should understand where that anger is coming from.

          To quote the "Letter from a Birmingham Jail":

          'First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”'

          https://letterfromjail.com/

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          @juergen_hubert voting blue uncritically is why the USA is here. Lack of useful third parties. Lack or PR. USA citizens need to revise we the constitution... Somehow. In Canada, our "Liberals" have moved seriously to the right.under the guise of being unified against Trump. I am very scared under Carney.

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          • Jürgen HubertJ Jürgen Hubert

            To the #VoteBlue people in the USA: Yes, voting for the #Democrats _is_ necessary in all upcoming elections. But you also need to realize that the anger at the Democratic Party establishment is both real and entirely justified, and you should understand where that anger is coming from.

            To quote the "Letter from a Birmingham Jail":

            'First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”'

            https://letterfromjail.com/

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            @juergen_hubert

            a focus on the dem estbmnt is a red herring

            of course they suck

            #mamdani showed us just show up and #vote for who we like. he got no support from the estbmnt, even hostility. now he's mayor

            because we voted!

            the dem estbmnt is not going to change. does it matter? why should we care?

            1. ignore them

            2. vote

            *especially #primaries #primaries2026*

            3. and replace them

            et voila

            voter anger is not the fault of #democrats

            the dems being shit is the fault of people not voting

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              @juergen_hubert

              a focus on the dem estbmnt is a red herring

              of course they suck

              #mamdani showed us just show up and #vote for who we like. he got no support from the estbmnt, even hostility. now he's mayor

              because we voted!

              the dem estbmnt is not going to change. does it matter? why should we care?

              1. ignore them

              2. vote

              *especially #primaries #primaries2026*

              3. and replace them

              et voila

              voter anger is not the fault of #democrats

              the dems being shit is the fault of people not voting

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              @benroyce @juergen_hubert The problem with that strategy is that most of the people who get a vote on who is part of that establishment are chosen not by the voters but by the members of the current establishment...

              Look at how the membership is selected:
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee

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                @benroyce @juergen_hubert The problem with that strategy is that most of the people who get a vote on who is part of that establishment are chosen not by the voters but by the members of the current establishment...

                Look at how the membership is selected:
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee

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                @admin @juergen_hubert

                and how do you change that?

                you show the fuck up and vote

                a change of leadership means a change of policy

                what does not voting lead to?

                more of the same

                stop setting roadblocks in your mind before you participate

                participate, participate, participate

                that is the only way to get the change we need

                meanwhile, people just sitting things out until the democratic establishment magically changes is a fucking joke. lack of participation is *exactly* why things suck

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                  @admin @juergen_hubert

                  and how do you change that?

                  you show the fuck up and vote

                  a change of leadership means a change of policy

                  what does not voting lead to?

                  more of the same

                  stop setting roadblocks in your mind before you participate

                  participate, participate, participate

                  that is the only way to get the change we need

                  meanwhile, people just sitting things out until the democratic establishment magically changes is a fucking joke. lack of participation is *exactly* why things suck

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                  @benroyce @juergen_hubert How? Are you saying to break into the DNC and steal the ballots or something? WE DON'T GET TO VOTE ON THIS!

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                    @benroyce @juergen_hubert How? Are you saying to break into the DNC and steal the ballots or something? WE DON'T GET TO VOTE ON THIS!

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                    @admin @juergen_hubert

                    OMFG WE'RE DOOMED FOR ETERNITY WE HAVE NO AGENCY

                    😂

                    you vote. you replace the leadership. you change the policy

                    hello?

                    will you stop fucking hiding and buried in deranged fears? it's fucking weak and embarrassing. part of the reason we're here is people who think just like you. fight, motherfucker

                    did you learn nothing from mamdani's run?

                    and how do we get more mamdanis?

                    via my words here

                    meanwhile your way is defeat, because you won't fucking fight!

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                      @admin @juergen_hubert

                      OMFG WE'RE DOOMED FOR ETERNITY WE HAVE NO AGENCY

                      😂

                      you vote. you replace the leadership. you change the policy

                      hello?

                      will you stop fucking hiding and buried in deranged fears? it's fucking weak and embarrassing. part of the reason we're here is people who think just like you. fight, motherfucker

                      did you learn nothing from mamdani's run?

                      and how do we get more mamdanis?

                      via my words here

                      meanwhile your way is defeat, because you won't fucking fight!

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                      @benroyce @juergen_hubert Mamdani isn't party leadership.

                      Party leadership is elected by ~400 people who are chosen by party leadership. They pick their voters and they ain't picking you or me.

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                        @benroyce @juergen_hubert Mamdani isn't party leadership.

                        Party leadership is elected by ~400 people who are chosen by party leadership. They pick their voters and they ain't picking you or me.

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                        @admin @juergen_hubert

                        and who makes up party leadership deep thinker? what happens if we get 50 mamdanis? and how do we get 50 mamdanis?

                        HELLO, ANYONE HOME?

                        i'll give you some time to work through the fucking obvious and abandon your defense of cowardice

                        your way is no more mamdanis. because integalactic omnipotent alien dem establishment we are powerless to change 😂 fucking weak

                        you are the problem

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                          @admin @juergen_hubert

                          and who makes up party leadership deep thinker? what happens if we get 50 mamdanis? and how do we get 50 mamdanis?

                          HELLO, ANYONE HOME?

                          i'll give you some time to work through the fucking obvious and abandon your defense of cowardice

                          your way is no more mamdanis. because integalactic omnipotent alien dem establishment we are powerless to change 😂 fucking weak

                          you are the problem

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                          @benroyce @juergen_hubert Mamdani might not get a vote for party leadership either. Read the link I sent you earlier, it lists who gets a votes. There are three mayors selected so *maybe* he could get one of those, but it's not clear who chooses which three.

                          But there's 200 people selected by the state party organizations, and 75 selected by national party leaders that aren't necessarily elected politicians at all.

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                          • SlightlyCyberpunkA SlightlyCyberpunk

                            @benroyce @juergen_hubert Mamdani might not get a vote for party leadership either. Read the link I sent you earlier, it lists who gets a votes. There are three mayors selected so *maybe* he could get one of those, but it's not clear who chooses which three.

                            But there's 200 people selected by the state party organizations, and 75 selected by national party leaders that aren't necessarily elected politicians at all.

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                            @admin @juergen_hubert

                            i completely understand you

                            mental roadblock, mental roadblock, mental roadblock

                            helplessness, weakness, cowardice, defeatism, pessimism, cynicism

                            i get it

                            thank you for painting a picture for everyone else reading along why the left is so FUCKED in this stupid fucking country

                            you are the problem. you and all the other spineless turds out there are the author of our misery

                            LISTEN TO ME:

                            you vote

                            in the primaries

                            you get more mamdanis

                            we win

                            capisce?

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                            • Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩B Ben Royce 🇺🇦 🇸🇩

                              @admin @juergen_hubert

                              i completely understand you

                              mental roadblock, mental roadblock, mental roadblock

                              helplessness, weakness, cowardice, defeatism, pessimism, cynicism

                              i get it

                              thank you for painting a picture for everyone else reading along why the left is so FUCKED in this stupid fucking country

                              you are the problem. you and all the other spineless turds out there are the author of our misery

                              LISTEN TO ME:

                              you vote

                              in the primaries

                              you get more mamdanis

                              we win

                              capisce?

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                              @benroyce @juergen_hubert And every single election election you have to fight against the party that's supposed to be supporting you -- just like Mamdani did -- because you have no way to change the party itself!

                              If we can get these people elected as Democrats despite the Democrats fighting against us the entire way then we can certainly get them elected under a party that supports them or even just gets out of their way. AIUI Mamdani's campaign was largely run not by the Democratic party but by the fucking DSA. So maybe the DSA should form a party.

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                                @benroyce @juergen_hubert And every single election election you have to fight against the party that's supposed to be supporting you -- just like Mamdani did -- because you have no way to change the party itself!

                                If we can get these people elected as Democrats despite the Democrats fighting against us the entire way then we can certainly get them elected under a party that supports them or even just gets out of their way. AIUI Mamdani's campaign was largely run not by the Democratic party but by the fucking DSA. So maybe the DSA should form a party.

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                                @admin @juergen_hubert

                                you have to fight against the party to take over the party, absolutely

                                then once we control it, they support us

                                HELLO

                                are you trolling? what are you doing?

                                "So maybe the DSA should form a party"

                                oh yeah, divide the left vote in an FPTP voting system to guarantee 100 years of MAGA, real smart

                                no: the DSA *takes over the democratic party*

                                what is mamdani if not the beachhead for this winning strategy?

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                                  @admin @juergen_hubert

                                  you have to fight against the party to take over the party, absolutely

                                  then once we control it, they support us

                                  HELLO

                                  are you trolling? what are you doing?

                                  "So maybe the DSA should form a party"

                                  oh yeah, divide the left vote in an FPTP voting system to guarantee 100 years of MAGA, real smart

                                  no: the DSA *takes over the democratic party*

                                  what is mamdani if not the beachhead for this winning strategy?

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                                  @benroyce @juergen_hubert DSA *has* taken over the Democratic party at state levels. It doesn't work. The Democratic Party destroyed everything they could on the way out the door, leaving them to build a new party from scratch anyway, and then the national party and the wealthy donors built a new Democratic Party organization to oppose them.

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                                    @benroyce @juergen_hubert DSA *has* taken over the Democratic party at state levels. It doesn't work. The Democratic Party destroyed everything they could on the way out the door, leaving them to build a new party from scratch anyway, and then the national party and the wealthy donors built a new Democratic Party organization to oppose them.

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                                    @admin @juergen_hubert

                                    😂 😂 😂

                                    i swear to god you have to be the most spineless whiny motherfucker i've met in a long time

                                    yes: everything is hopeless, because enough people exist like you who are hopeless

                                    do you have the faintest fucking perception in that head of yours that your piss poor attitude is a problem? have you ever heard of self-fulfilling prophecy?

                                    you've given up before you've begun to fight. therefore you lose. absolutely, that is what will happen! because of your attitude

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                                      @admin @juergen_hubert

                                      😂 😂 😂

                                      i swear to god you have to be the most spineless whiny motherfucker i've met in a long time

                                      yes: everything is hopeless, because enough people exist like you who are hopeless

                                      do you have the faintest fucking perception in that head of yours that your piss poor attitude is a problem? have you ever heard of self-fulfilling prophecy?

                                      you've given up before you've begun to fight. therefore you lose. absolutely, that is what will happen! because of your attitude

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                                      @benroyce @juergen_hubert I got plenty of hope. Hope that we can actually change things. Hope that we can do something other than the same damn strategy that's been failing for decades already. You're the one that seems to be saying that the only option is to settle in and enjoy the status quo.

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                                        @benroyce @juergen_hubert I got plenty of hope. Hope that we can actually change things. Hope that we can do something other than the same damn strategy that's been failing for decades already. You're the one that seems to be saying that the only option is to settle in and enjoy the status quo.

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                                        @benroyce @juergen_hubert My state has been voting for Democrats almost exclusively since the 80s. I must have missed the part where that fixed everything.

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                                        • SlightlyCyberpunkA SlightlyCyberpunk

                                          @benroyce @juergen_hubert My state has been voting for Democrats almost exclusively since the 80s. I must have missed the part where that fixed everything.

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                                          @admin @juergen_hubert

                                          Then propose an alternative approach. We can't start a third party in our stupid fucking voting system. So we're stuck with having to take over the dems. Im not calling it easy. Im calling it our only way forward. And youre not helping. And why? Third party dreams in RI (i think you're in RI)? Would you excuse me if i said this focus of yours is rather immaterial to national concerns? Please scope your words to national concerns and not your goals in RI

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