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Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

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  • STPS STP

    @cstross Can I join a list for a signed first edition hardcover of this now?

    Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
    Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
    Charlie Stross
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    @SciPolTech No because I'm not writing it: I'm already 400 words into the sequel to "Starter Pack" and it's going to take me the rest of the year.

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    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

      Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

      In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

      Daniel CarosoneU This user is from outside of this forum
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      Daniel Carosone
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      @cstross all accident compensation claims are made directly by the victims, in the flesh (or whatever's left of it)

      Companies are very serious about safety.

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      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

        Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

        In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

        acbA This user is from outside of this forum
        acbA This user is from outside of this forum
        acb
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        #9

        @cstross K.W. Jeter did something similar in β€œNoir”

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        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

          Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

          In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

          sabikS This user is from outside of this forum
          sabikS This user is from outside of this forum
          sabik
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          #10

          @cstross
          Ghosts with unfinished business... literally

          A director can't pass on until replaced at the next AGM

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          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

            Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

            In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

            InfoseepageI This user is from outside of this forum
            InfoseepageI This user is from outside of this forum
            Infoseepage
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            @cstross Tangentially related, what if a practical cure for aging was discovered? There is a novel called The Postmortal which imagines the many dystopian aspects of never dying.

            Richard K Morgan's Altered Carbon series imagines immortality via mind uploading and body swapping tech as technologies which demonstrably have lead to the end of alien civilizations but which humans just can't resist.

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            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

              Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

              In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

              TheTomasT This user is from outside of this forum
              TheTomasT This user is from outside of this forum
              TheTomas
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              @cstross ah you're talking about 100year copyright protection rights?

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              • InfoseepageI Infoseepage

                @cstross Tangentially related, what if a practical cure for aging was discovered? There is a novel called The Postmortal which imagines the many dystopian aspects of never dying.

                Richard K Morgan's Altered Carbon series imagines immortality via mind uploading and body swapping tech as technologies which demonstrably have lead to the end of alien civilizations but which humans just can't resist.

                InfoseepageI This user is from outside of this forum
                InfoseepageI This user is from outside of this forum
                Infoseepage
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                #13

                @cstross Both have the idea of immortality as a sort of cultural trap with the potential for permanent underclasses and rulling classes and horrifically long term contracts.

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                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                  Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                  In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                  David SP This user is from outside of this forum
                  David SP This user is from outside of this forum
                  David S
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                  #14

                  @cstross

                  Sounds a bit like Jack Gilmour

                  https://www.goodreads.com/series/375633-wish-lawyer-law-is-hell

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                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                    Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                    In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                    wiredfoolW This user is from outside of this forum
                    wiredfoolW This user is from outside of this forum
                    wiredfool
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                    #15

                    @cstross Sounds a bit like some of Max Gladstones work.

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                    • leyrerL leyrer

                      @cstross your brain wouldn't stop, throwing ideass at you, would it?

                      towoT This user is from outside of this forum
                      towoT This user is from outside of this forum
                      towo
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                      @leyrer
                      Sometimes it's just @foone being a muse: https://wandering.shop/@cstross/116108084351760427
                      @cstross

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                      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                        Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                        In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                        molosovsky  πŸΏβœŠπŸ’—M This user is from outside of this forum
                        molosovsky  πŸΏβœŠπŸ’—M This user is from outside of this forum
                        molosovsky πŸΏβœŠπŸ’—
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                        #17

                        @cstross See real world demonology and immortality. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juridical_person

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                        • towoT towo

                          @leyrer
                          Sometimes it's just @foone being a muse: https://wandering.shop/@cstross/116108084351760427
                          @cstross

                          leyrerL This user is from outside of this forum
                          leyrerL This user is from outside of this forum
                          leyrer
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                          @towo I saw that πŸ˜„

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                          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                            Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                            In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                            Marco AntoniottiM This user is from outside of this forum
                            Marco AntoniottiM This user is from outside of this forum
                            Marco Antoniotti
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                            @cstross may I suggest Katarina Pistor's "The Code of Capital"?

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                            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                              Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                              In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                              ElectropictE This user is from outside of this forum
                              ElectropictE This user is from outside of this forum
                              Electropict
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                              @cstross

                              I think we're just about there IRL.

                              Someone just needs to pitch it to the VCs and obtainable politicians:

                              LLM bots that not only mimic your features, voice and writing style, but also can maintain your legal existence, rights, liabilities and specifically copyrights until the heat death of capitalism.

                              There's money to be made, or rather, kept...

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                              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                                xinit β˜• / πŸ—‘β€πŸ”₯X This user is from outside of this forum
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                                xinit β˜• / πŸ—‘β€πŸ”₯
                                wrote last edited by
                                #21

                                @cstross
                                That feels familiar, but not sure why. Maybe a short story from some anthology, or something Deathy from Terry Pratchett or Piers Anthony or what's his name that did Sandman.

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                                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                  Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                  In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                                  Wolf_BaginskiW This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Wolf_BaginskiW This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Wolf_Baginski
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                                  @cstross

                                  Driven a little bit by personal experience, would these particular Contract Lawyers be Barristers? I had to pay one for specialised legal advice, not for representation in court.

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                                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                    Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                    In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                                    SeachaintS This user is from outside of this forum
                                    SeachaintS This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Seachaint
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                                    @cstross If you haven't yet seen the show "Extraordinary", it's a must watch. There's a character in it who can do sΓ©ance-style summonings of the dead, so of course her job is to work with lawyers untangling wills and titles πŸ™‚

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                                    • InfoseepageI Infoseepage

                                      @cstross Tangentially related, what if a practical cure for aging was discovered? There is a novel called The Postmortal which imagines the many dystopian aspects of never dying.

                                      Richard K Morgan's Altered Carbon series imagines immortality via mind uploading and body swapping tech as technologies which demonstrably have lead to the end of alien civilizations but which humans just can't resist.

                                      Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Charlie Stross
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                                      @Infoseepage Ssh, that might be a spoiler for the novel I just finished …!

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                                      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                        Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                        In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                                        Kenny ParkK This user is from outside of this forum
                                        Kenny ParkK This user is from outside of this forum
                                        Kenny Park
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                                        @cstross There was a very funny story on Escape Pod years ago (or it might have been its horror spin-off) with exactly that premise, and the dead were made to work in call centres until their debts were settled.

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                                        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                          Mad fantasy-fic idea: what if even death is no escape from the law, and contracts signed in life remain binding after shuffling off this mortal coil?

                                          In this setting, all contract lawyers are necromancers. A zombie is what you get when an undischarged bankrupt dies. And so on.

                                          LordWoolamalooL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          LordWoolamaloo
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                                          @cstross I seem to recall Whedon had a subplot like this in an episode of Buffy spinoff, Angel. One character breaks into the satanic legal agency, fights to the secure contracts and destroys the one that bound a now deceased woman he was close to, even after death. But it just reforms, and her spirit thanks him for trying, but she knew this when she signed, it was "forever"

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