Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
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Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
Generative AI models suck because they steal attribution, not copyright. So I like to say they're built on stolen attribution, not stolen "works." Because when you say stolen works, people will (correctly) observe that you still have the works you claim were stolen, and (correctly) roll their eyes and refuse to take you seriously. Claiming ownership of ideas and punishing people for sharing is itself deeply unethical, and we need to focus on the terrible danger AI represents, which is erasing our reputations and friendships, and burying us in slop. (And also destroying our ecosystem.)
Instead, artists are drinking the kool-aid and now preaching the same oppressive bullshit that publishers have been using to crush them for decades. -_- -
@jamesthomson I feel like most devs don't see code as art, but as something ephemeral and disposable, a mean to an end.
Like i quit IT years ago and mostly code for my own use, and i'm closer to writers and artists on this one.
I wonder how many of us lone coders feel closer to artists, and how many of "team/corpo coders" don't feel any sort of attachment to their code.
And on that, how many are pro-AI and how many are anti-AI.
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Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
@jamesthomson @michaelrowe01 I don't think the developers will be so enthusiastic when they vibe code themselves out of a job.
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Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
@jamesthomson Except the programmers who know that coding is just as creative as writing and "art"
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Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
@jamesthomson the externalizes were hidden with things like cigarettes, and one rich idiot in particular I used to have some respect for is on a podcast comparing this technology to the switch from programming assembly to c. The switch to fucking C didn't include belching fumes into people's homes and ripping off everyone so a few libertarian shitbags can get rich quick.
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Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
@jamesthomson Not all developers! — I'll see myself out @benroyce
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@agiletortoise @Drwave This meat tastes suspiciously familiar.
@jamesthomson @agiletortoise @Drwave
They say music is the food of love
Let's see if you're hungry enough
Take a bite, take another
Just like a good boy would
Get a sweet thing on the side
Home cooking, homicide
Side order, could be your daughter
Finger licking good -
@ryanvade That definitely sucks.
@jamesthomson @ryanvade yeah there is a lot of managerial pressure and a lot of “use AI or your career will be over” FOMO.
It does suck.
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@ryanvade That definitely sucks.
@jamesthomson @ryanvade and AI is now used massively in hiring - to the point where AI is involved in the decision making process.
We got to this point t really quick
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Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
@jamesthomson
Developers: producing bloaded and insecure code until nobody is left to fix it (what is a horrible mess if you know what your doing) -
@jamesthomson Except the programmers who know that coding is just as creative as writing and "art"
@davebauerart @jamesthomson
as someone who studied softwarelocalisation: programmers who actually know what they were doing always have been a rare breed... -
Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
@jamesthomson publishing and music companies: We’ll sign any contract with AI companies, especially if it requires us to hand over our writers/artists works little to no compensation for them.
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Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
@jamesthomson not all developers
Seriously though… if it wasn’t mandated by management, I wonder how many would stick with it, considering how bad a lot of the outcomes are
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@jamesthomson @ryanvade and AI is now used massively in hiring - to the point where AI is involved in the decision making process.
We got to this point t really quick
@schwa @jamesthomson @ryanvade
It feels like part of the tech bro / Trump coup, and planned for years.
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@the_other_jon @jamesthomson I was confused about this change as well. But they use Apple products, while being sceptical about the company. What’s wrong about using ai as a useful tool, while knowing its problems?
@owlex Are the training sets licensed or just strip mined from the web/redit/github/sourceforge? This was the cause for their “AI is theft” statement.
From a technical standpoint: Are these training sets free from bugs? If you use an ai tool to generate tests, are they useful tests? A useful test is one that tries to break the code instead of showing that the code “works. Tests that that exercise the interfaces or cover the code tend to not be “useful” tests.
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Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
@jamesthomson I can't begin to state how many times I've seen open-source developers (mostly web developers, to the surprise of nobody) just vibe code all of the new functionality in their libraries/frameworks without thinking through the ethical (and copyright) implications
it's stupid, and I'm getting tired of it.
when will this ai bubble pop...
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Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
@jamesthomson My personal theory about why this is has to do with the emphasis on output with development. Writing and art takes time. Doing it right and getting all the details really matters. GenAI can't replace that for the sole reason that each person's artstyle is different and unique.
Development on the other hand focuses on fast production. Code changes, bug fixes, new features. These all can happen much quicker. Add onto that the need to be "first" and you get the current scene.
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@jamesthomson not all developers
Seriously though… if it wasn’t mandated by management, I wonder how many would stick with it, considering how bad a lot of the outcomes are
@lorimolson @jamesthomson Came here to say the same. Developers were also among those whose content was slurped up by big tech to feed their copyright laundering apparatus.
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Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
@jamesthomson Given what we've learned about the ethics of many software developers over the past several months, I wonder how many companies are currently shipping closed source code that's stolen from GPLed projects.
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Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.
Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!
@jamesthomson writers and artists have been dealing with their craft being devalued for an incredibly long time, so they get it. Developers have never really had to deal with that, and generally speaking a lot of developers look down upon anyone not in tech, so they're just not going to trust what non tech people say. Developers are also, generally speaking, really bad at thinking about labor, and organizing. I've spoken to countless developers who said they'd never join a union, even if it was an option.
