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  3. It’s interesting that this American fascism is so artless and devoid of inspiring symbols or imagery.

It’s interesting that this American fascism is so artless and devoid of inspiring symbols or imagery.

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  • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

    It’s interesting that this American fascism is so artless and devoid of inspiring symbols or imagery.

    ICE has no branding, no uniforms, no martial culture— their only signifiers and traditions are things the men invent themselves: such as the disgusting playing cards they leave in cars.

    Sometimes the Homeland Security department posts AI generated images but there is no gloss of honor or higher calling in this work. They hide their faces.

    This is notably distinct from other fascisms. 1/

    Marc TriusA This user is from outside of this forum
    Marc TriusA This user is from outside of this forum
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    @futurebird I wonder how much of it is simply because artists as a whole aren't being fooled a second time. The posters from dhs definitely have an aesthetic, albeit artificially generated. And the street brutes also have an aesthetic, it's just a pathetically cheap paramilitary one. It all makes sense in my head as a coherent whole, it's just poorly executed

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    • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

      Many of the people in charge know that the “vision” makes little sense and they just can’t be bothered.

      Meanwhile as opposition we can write and sing songs and we will be stronger for doing it.

      Let’s find some anthems.

      3/3

      Andrew Benedict-NelsonA This user is from outside of this forum
      Andrew Benedict-NelsonA This user is from outside of this forum
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      #8

      @futurebird This is really making me think. I'm not sure if I agree with it or not. Totally agree in re ICE
      ... less sure about their larger movement. The red hat and the MAGA slogan went a long way. I'm not sure the Dems have attempted that level of coherence since Obama.

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      • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

        Many of the people in charge know that the “vision” makes little sense and they just can’t be bothered.

        Meanwhile as opposition we can write and sing songs and we will be stronger for doing it.

        Let’s find some anthems.

        3/3

        marymessallM This user is from outside of this forum
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        @futurebird

        Bruce Springsteen is on it, of course...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWKSoxG1K7w

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        • Digital Mark λ ☕️ 🕹 👽M Digital Mark λ ☕️ 🕹 👽

          @futurebird Hitler aspired to higher class, jealous of the aristocracy, and hired qualified people to make art. Hugo Boss, Albert Speer, and Leni Riefenstahl were *excellent* at their craft, just moral voids.

          But Trump's a slumlord who maybe aspires to 3rd-world dictator shit, like Saddam Hussein, so gilt and awards and idiots wearing MAGA hats are all he can even imagine. No class.

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          @mdhughes

          I think he really wanted the Kennedy Center people to celebrate him. Instead they all walked away.

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          • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

            @mdhughes

            I think he really wanted the Kennedy Center people to celebrate him. Instead they all walked away.

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            @futurebird Yeah, that one probably hurt him a LOT. We need to do more of that.

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            • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

              Many of the people in charge know that the “vision” makes little sense and they just can’t be bothered.

              Meanwhile as opposition we can write and sing songs and we will be stronger for doing it.

              Let’s find some anthems.

              3/3

              jmjmJ This user is from outside of this forum
              jmjmJ This user is from outside of this forum
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              @futurebird I'm partial to some of the old Schoolhouse Rock songs, myself.

              https://youtu.be/8_NzZvdsbWI

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              • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                It’s interesting that this American fascism is so artless and devoid of inspiring symbols or imagery.

                ICE has no branding, no uniforms, no martial culture— their only signifiers and traditions are things the men invent themselves: such as the disgusting playing cards they leave in cars.

                Sometimes the Homeland Security department posts AI generated images but there is no gloss of honor or higher calling in this work. They hide their faces.

                This is notably distinct from other fascisms. 1/

                YappariY This user is from outside of this forum
                YappariY This user is from outside of this forum
                Yappari
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                @futurebird What about the MAGA red hats?

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                • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                  Many of the people in charge know that the “vision” makes little sense and they just can’t be bothered.

                  Meanwhile as opposition we can write and sing songs and we will be stronger for doing it.

                  Let’s find some anthems.

                  3/3

                  Citoyen européen Ray Hindle ✔️R This user is from outside of this forum
                  Citoyen européen Ray Hindle ✔️R This user is from outside of this forum
                  Citoyen européen Ray Hindle ✔️
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                  #14

                  @futurebird We don't need any new ones, surely:

                  We Shall Not Be Moved https://balladofamerica.org/we-shall-not-be-moved/

                  or

                  We Shall Overcome https://www.britannica.com/topic/We-Shall-Overcome

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                  • YappariY Yappari

                    @futurebird What about the MAGA red hats?

                    myrmepropagandistF This user is from outside of this forum
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                    myrmepropagandist
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                    @yappari

                    That is branding for Trump. It’s tied to one man not to something larger.

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                    • Marc TriusA Marc Trius

                      @futurebird I wonder how much of it is simply because artists as a whole aren't being fooled a second time. The posters from dhs definitely have an aesthetic, albeit artificially generated. And the street brutes also have an aesthetic, it's just a pathetically cheap paramilitary one. It all makes sense in my head as a coherent whole, it's just poorly executed

                      Marc TriusA This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @futurebird or maybe they just prefer generated art as part of the anti-humanness. Yeah, that makes sense

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                      • George BG George B

                        @futurebird

                        Tangential to "let's find some anthems" we really need a good "drowning out the fascists with noise" song.

                        Something that basically everyone knows, is easy to remember and needs little to no musical accompaniment beyond maybe claps or something else that a crowd can get going with no preparation.

                        Thinking something like Bella Ciao in Italy where it's pretty easy to get a large number of people to sing along if a fascist is starting a speech

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                        @futurebird

                        I first thought that when I was at Coney Island on Mermaid Parade day a few years back and there were some fash with a sound system talking about people being immoral and God will smite them and whatever bullshit they've been obsessed with the most lately.

                        There were so many other people there though that if someone got a song going it would have fully drowned out anything they had to say with no need for amplification while also being a joyous "fuck off" rather than an angry one

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                        • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                          It’s interesting that this American fascism is so artless and devoid of inspiring symbols or imagery.

                          ICE has no branding, no uniforms, no martial culture— their only signifiers and traditions are things the men invent themselves: such as the disgusting playing cards they leave in cars.

                          Sometimes the Homeland Security department posts AI generated images but there is no gloss of honor or higher calling in this work. They hide their faces.

                          This is notably distinct from other fascisms. 1/

                          Lily StarS This user is from outside of this forum
                          Lily StarS This user is from outside of this forum
                          Lily Star
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                          @futurebird The playing cards are from Vietnam era atrocities, stuff they learned from their racist parents and grandparents.

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                          • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                            It’s interesting that this American fascism is so artless and devoid of inspiring symbols or imagery.

                            ICE has no branding, no uniforms, no martial culture— their only signifiers and traditions are things the men invent themselves: such as the disgusting playing cards they leave in cars.

                            Sometimes the Homeland Security department posts AI generated images but there is no gloss of honor or higher calling in this work. They hide their faces.

                            This is notably distinct from other fascisms. 1/

                            Dave Wilburn :donor:D This user is from outside of this forum
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                            Dave Wilburn :donor:
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                            @futurebird

                            They're trying, but not very hard (yet).

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                            • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                              @mdhughes

                              I think he really wanted the Kennedy Center people to celebrate him. Instead they all walked away.

                              DianeA This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @futurebird @mdhughes

                              Isnt one of the things the trumpists are mad about is how virtually every artist hates their guts.

                              I think the only chunk of culture creators that liked them are the podcasters and 4chan.

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                              • marymessallM marymessall

                                @futurebird

                                Bruce Springsteen is on it, of course...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWKSoxG1K7w

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                                @futurebird

                                And here's Peter Dinklage reciting a poem by Amanda Gorman...

                                https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1qszw3d/peter_dinklage_recites_poem_for_renee_good_who/

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                                • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                                  It’s interesting that this American fascism is so artless and devoid of inspiring symbols or imagery.

                                  ICE has no branding, no uniforms, no martial culture— their only signifiers and traditions are things the men invent themselves: such as the disgusting playing cards they leave in cars.

                                  Sometimes the Homeland Security department posts AI generated images but there is no gloss of honor or higher calling in this work. They hide their faces.

                                  This is notably distinct from other fascisms. 1/

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                                  @futurebird Simple. They didn't have Armani suits in COD.

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                                  • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                                    It’s interesting that this American fascism is so artless and devoid of inspiring symbols or imagery.

                                    ICE has no branding, no uniforms, no martial culture— their only signifiers and traditions are things the men invent themselves: such as the disgusting playing cards they leave in cars.

                                    Sometimes the Homeland Security department posts AI generated images but there is no gloss of honor or higher calling in this work. They hide their faces.

                                    This is notably distinct from other fascisms. 1/

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                                    @futurebird I think it's because it's a more nihilistic form of fascism with little purpose or vision for a future. It's a death cult first and foremost. I saw this video recently talking about a particular piece of propaganda they released that I think is insightful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7WqVx9x89s

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                                    • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                                      Many of the people in charge know that the “vision” makes little sense and they just can’t be bothered.

                                      Meanwhile as opposition we can write and sing songs and we will be stronger for doing it.

                                      Let’s find some anthems.

                                      3/3

                                      A Flock of BeaglesB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @futurebird we've already got tons of songs, people just need to learn them and sing them in the streets.

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                                      • Marc TriusA Marc Trius

                                        @futurebird I wonder how much of it is simply because artists as a whole aren't being fooled a second time. The posters from dhs definitely have an aesthetic, albeit artificially generated. And the street brutes also have an aesthetic, it's just a pathetically cheap paramilitary one. It all makes sense in my head as a coherent whole, it's just poorly executed

                                        A Flock of BeaglesB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @alter_kaker @futurebird there are fascists with guitars, they just tend to attract a lot of well-deserved ridicule when anyone hears about their shitty songs.

                                        we are the Misfits, our songs are better.

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                                        • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                                          It’s interesting that this American fascism is so artless and devoid of inspiring symbols or imagery.

                                          ICE has no branding, no uniforms, no martial culture— their only signifiers and traditions are things the men invent themselves: such as the disgusting playing cards they leave in cars.

                                          Sometimes the Homeland Security department posts AI generated images but there is no gloss of honor or higher calling in this work. They hide their faces.

                                          This is notably distinct from other fascisms. 1/

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                                          @futurebird I suspect that the American fascists are embarrassed by their relationship to Nazi Germany not by history, but by movies like Indiana Jones, where German Nazis are bad guys.

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