I want this but as a Linux distribution.
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@ftranschel "I can get LLM corruption out of all the software in my computer except my web browser and password manager", in addition to being at this point afaik still aspirational, is kinda… that's not a good outcome. The web browser and password manager have extreme permissions and extreme capacity to do harm.
@ftranschel In addition, I have committed a tremendous error which is now coming back to bite me: I installed software written by BlueSky PBC
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My understanding is that Bitwarden and KeePassXC, the two open source password managers, are *both* using random code generators at this point, which is terrifying as those are the exact tools where a small error could have the largest negative impact, and also tools that once you've committed to using it you can't quickly back out if they enter a code quality decline
@mcc 1Password says "We want team members at all levels to take the approach of actively learning AI best practices, identifying opportunities to apply AI in meaningful ways, and driving innovative solutions in their daily work. Embracing the future of AI isn't just encouraged at 1Password—it's an essential part of how we will be successful at 1Password."
Pretty upset about KeepassXC on a personal level.
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@mcc 1Password says "We want team members at all levels to take the approach of actively learning AI best practices, identifying opportunities to apply AI in meaningful ways, and driving innovative solutions in their daily work. Embracing the future of AI isn't just encouraged at 1Password—it's an essential part of how we will be successful at 1Password."
Pretty upset about KeepassXC on a personal level.
@itamarst Well, there is no universe where I would consider using 1password, but I guess that's still good to know
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@itamarst Well, there is no universe where I would consider using 1password, but I guess that's still good to know
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My understanding is that Bitwarden and KeePassXC, the two open source password managers, are *both* using random code generators at this point, which is terrifying as those are the exact tools where a small error could have the largest negative impact, and also tools that once you've committed to using it you can't quickly back out if they enter a code quality decline
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@mcc @itamarst this is a bit tangential to the whole thing but that phrasing bothers me a LOT. "an essential part" — is it? is it "essential?" where was it five years ago? and three years from now, when everyone, even the most braindead useless dead-weight MBA executive, finally realizes that it doesn't fucking work at all, will it still be "essential" then? or is the plan to stop being successful?
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My understanding is that Bitwarden and KeePassXC, the two open source password managers, are *both* using random code generators at this point, which is terrifying as those are the exact tools where a small error could have the largest negative impact, and also tools that once you've committed to using it you can't quickly back out if they enter a code quality decline
@mcc Yeah, KeePassXC going this route really hurt. I'm probably going to migrate back to a text file encrypted with gnupg for basic password management, but I have no idea what I'm going to use for one-time passcodes.
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@mcc @itamarst this is a bit tangential to the whole thing but that phrasing bothers me a LOT. "an essential part" — is it? is it "essential?" where was it five years ago? and three years from now, when everyone, even the most braindead useless dead-weight MBA executive, finally realizes that it doesn't fucking work at all, will it still be "essential" then? or is the plan to stop being successful?
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@mcc @itamarst this is a bit tangential to the whole thing but that phrasing bothers me a LOT. "an essential part" — is it? is it "essential?" where was it five years ago? and three years from now, when everyone, even the most braindead useless dead-weight MBA executive, finally realizes that it doesn't fucking work at all, will it still be "essential" then? or is the plan to stop being successful?
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My understanding is that Bitwarden and KeePassXC, the two open source password managers, are *both* using random code generators at this point, which is terrifying as those are the exact tools where a small error could have the largest negative impact, and also tools that once you've committed to using it you can't quickly back out if they enter a code quality decline
@mcc I admit I don't know the KeePass ecosystem terribly well, but does this go "up the chain" to regular KeePass 2.x or is it just XC?
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RE: https://mastodon.scot/@kim_harding/116108957641748718
I want this but as a Linux distribution. I don't think I'm asking for much here. I am just asking for the "open source community" to be to the left of Goldman Sachs
@mcc I am dropping/switching any FOSS tools that I know are using GenAI/LLMs and it is getting bleak -_-
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My understanding is that Bitwarden and KeePassXC, the two open source password managers, are *both* using random code generators at this point, which is terrifying as those are the exact tools where a small error could have the largest negative impact, and also tools that once you've committed to using it you can't quickly back out if they enter a code quality decline
RE: https://wellduck.me/@greyduck/116110983001607000
I would like the answer to this question as well.
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@mcc I am dropping/switching any FOSS tools that I know are using GenAI/LLMs and it is getting bleak -_-
@Brett_E_Carlock the problem is removing any one tool from my life is a relatively large time investment and projects are adding "boycott me" flags faster than I can switch to or create alternatives
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@mcc @itamarst my prediction is that they will pretend that once there are a few more truly catastrophic stories in the press, like if a whistleblower shows up to conclusively prove that Microsoft *knows* copilot is causing all the Windows bugs that everyone suspects it is, they will simply change the copy on their website to indicate that they were always against this and they were never fooled, and there will not be consequences for anyone involved
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@Brett_E_Carlock the problem is removing any one tool from my life is a relatively large time investment and projects are adding "boycott me" flags faster than I can switch to or create alternatives
@mcc Yeah, absolutely. Thankfully so far these changes have all been low-stakes for me, but they are disruptive none-the-less.
As a fairly recent full time Linux everywhere user, something as stupid as changing my music manager app was a pretty significant shakeup. Twice, back to back, no less, after finally settling on each one. Enough that I had to package an entirely different media manager to use, since I had no other options I remotely enjoyed using.
Again, whinging, but the pattern holds
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@mcc I admit I don't know the KeePass ecosystem terribly well, but does this go "up the chain" to regular KeePass 2.x or is it just XC?
@greyduck @mcc probably best to ask Mr Reichel here: https://sourceforge.net/p/keepass/discussion/329220/
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@mcc Yeah, absolutely. Thankfully so far these changes have all been low-stakes for me, but they are disruptive none-the-less.
As a fairly recent full time Linux everywhere user, something as stupid as changing my music manager app was a pretty significant shakeup. Twice, back to back, no less, after finally settling on each one. Enough that I had to package an entirely different media manager to use, since I had no other options I remotely enjoyed using.
Again, whinging, but the pattern holds
@mcc Low-stakes, and I have options.
What about for more significant/critical tools for folks? What about when there aren't real options?
What about for folks that can't just build and package something else?
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My understanding is that Bitwarden and KeePassXC, the two open source password managers, are *both* using random code generators at this point, which is terrifying as those are the exact tools where a small error could have the largest negative impact, and also tools that once you've committed to using it you can't quickly back out if they enter a code quality decline
@mcc oh yikes wtf please not bitwarden
