The real MLK was a radical.

@jlou @amerpie why would you though? say you could have something like the nordic model, instead? still capitalism, but with quite a bit of equality.

@squirrel @amerpie Nordic model doesn’t resolve workers’ inalienable rights violations that occur routinely under all forms of capitalism. Capitalism is deeply inefficient at allocating resources towards public goods and dealing with externalities.

@jlou @amerpie what rights are being violated?

@squirrel @amerpie the inalienable right to appropriate the positive and negative fruits of your labor.

Source: https://www.ellerman.org/inalienable-rights-part-i-the-basic-argument/

@jlou @amerpie thanks. that was interesting. these cooperatives are free to operate within a Nordic model, though. you don't have to burn it all down for these to gain traction.

@squirrel @amerpie The problem is the violation of workers’ inalienable rights in non-democratic non-cooperative firms. The employment contract must be abolished making all firm’s democratic.

Abolishing capitalism ≠ burning it all down

We can have economic democracy and keep many market institutions.

@amerpie

In my observation for what it's worth, he was not a "radical", just a decent, caring, thoughtful human being.

Generations of corporate media has tried desperately to surpress, erase, distort and vilify the man, just for being that kind of person.

@jlou @amerpie I understand why somebody would want this. Myself, I kinda feel quite happy renting myself out and not having any responsibility for the fruits, good or bad, of my labor.

I mean, it is a capable way or organizing, but I'm unsure if it is everything to everyone, if you know what I mean.

@squirrel @amerpie

Responsibility is non-transferable even with consent. No matter how much you like the terms of the employment contract. You can’t fulfill it because a de facto person can’t become de facto non-person to fulfill the legal role of a non-person.

@capngloval @amerpie describing capitalism as "not perfect" is kind of burying the lede. It is an awful system, designed by wicked people to accumulate power while simultaneously getting the have-nots to blame themselves for their failure to be one of the haves and crabs-in-a-barreling each other.

Capitalism is perfect, in the same way that a xenomorph is perfect. Unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.

@capngloval @amerpie Thing is: we still can come up with something far better than capitalism.

@Mabande I doubt it. The problem is humans near sighted-ness. All the systems we have come up with so far are as flawed as capitalism.