PS. With all the Discord stuff, in case you wonder why you never see me promoting Matrix, it’s not because it’s a usability nightmare (which it is) but because it’s made by the kind of people who’d be happy to call ICE a customer.
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@aral This is not the case. See https://element.io/en/legal/ethics for the public ethics policy of who we sell to.
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@aral This is not the case. See https://element.io/en/legal/ethics for the public ethics policy of who we sell to.
@element Bro, this you? Don’t piss in my face and tell me it’s raining.
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@element Bro, this you? Don’t piss in my face and tell me it’s raining.
@aral@mastodon.ar.al What is exactly your problem here? Matrix is an encrypted messaging standard - as a maintainer of an Internet standard quite natural to sell consulting services to commercial clients, including your government. This is exactly the same case with HTTP or SMTP, which are widely used by governments and law enforcement, so why single out IM?
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@aral@mastodon.ar.al What is exactly your problem here? Matrix is an encrypted messaging standard - as a maintainer of an Internet standard quite natural to sell consulting services to commercial clients, including your government. This is exactly the same case with HTTP or SMTP, which are widely used by governments and law enforcement, so why single out IM?
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Don't you think you've gone a bit too far with your chain of extrapolated fallacies? You've build a whole chain of hype that goes from "we offer paid consulting to corporate clients including governments" through "we sell to ICE" up to "we only sell to white fascists". Since Matrix is mostly used by edu in Germany and gov in France, how did you make this "white fascist" extrapolation, granted that plenty of government officials in Europe are black or of other non-white origin, e.g. minister Sarah El Haïry, Rima Abdul Malak or Fadila Khattabi in France?
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For reference, here's a sample of your typical "white fascists" from the French government. So I think you've gone a bit too far with equating any government in the world with US ICE, and then with "white fascists".
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@aral @element @LukefromDC there is also @delta which seems pretty cool.
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For reference, here's a sample of your typical "white fascists" from the French government. So I think you've gone a bit too far with equating any government in the world with US ICE, and then with "white fascists".
@aral@mastodon.ar.al @element@mastodon.matrix.org You can also read about the "white fascist" legislators of Germany here https://ukandeu.ac.uk/diversity-bundestag/
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PS. With all the Discord stuff, in case you wonder why you never see me promoting Matrix, it’s not because it’s a usability nightmare (which it is) but because it’s made by the kind of people who’d be happy to call ICE a customer.
The “F” in FOSS doesn’t stand for fascism.
@element https://mastodon.matrix.org/@element/110340953550548309
@aral this looks like a promising solution that might work for some people https://peergos.org/
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@fuckfetish @element There used to be Mattermost but I just took a look at their site and it looks like they’ve gone full “military fuck yeah”.
This is what happens when people believe the “we care about human rights blah blah” bullshit of open source enterprise software corporations. The hint’s in “enterprise software” – that’s that they’re about, nothing else.
@aral @fuckfetish @element Zulip is a better alternative.
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@ahltorp @aral @element Personally I think it's a big difference between selling to police, so they can be independent from US oligarchical tech companies, which will give all their data to the fascist US government if asked, and to sell to the Gestapo.
You don't have to agree with me, of course, but I don't see for example my own country disbandoning its police force any time soon, and I'd rather not have them reliant on MS Teams or the like. So imo Element having this distinction is good
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Don't you think you've gone a bit too far with your chain of extrapolated fallacies? You've build a whole chain of hype that goes from "we offer paid consulting to corporate clients including governments" through "we sell to ICE" up to "we only sell to white fascists". Since Matrix is mostly used by edu in Germany and gov in France, how did you make this "white fascist" extrapolation, granted that plenty of government officials in Europe are black or of other non-white origin, e.g. minister Sarah El Haïry, Rima Abdul Malak or Fadila Khattabi in France?
@kravietz
I'm french, and I wouldn't dare say that our past governments don't love authoritarianism at the very least (the people you mention are tokens, they do not care about their skin color, they help white supremacy anyway because they belong to the same class, and they've had terrible policies), and they drive us right into the hands of fascists...
sorry for this example you picked, it doesn't fit I think
@aral @element @ahltorp
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