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AI is making us write more code.

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  • Mark LevisonM Mark Levison

    AI is making us write more code. That's the problem.

    I analyzed research papers on AI-generated code quality. The findings:

    → 1.7x more issues than human-written code
    → 30-41% increase in technical debt
    → 39% increase in cognitive complexity
    → Initial speed gains disappear within a few months

    We're building the wrong thing faster and calling it productivity.

    TormodA This user is from outside of this forum
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    Tormod
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    @mlevison

    Amen to that, brother…

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    • Mark LevisonM Mark Levison

      AI is making us write more code. That's the problem.

      I analyzed research papers on AI-generated code quality. The findings:

      → 1.7x more issues than human-written code
      → 30-41% increase in technical debt
      → 39% increase in cognitive complexity
      → Initial speed gains disappear within a few months

      We're building the wrong thing faster and calling it productivity.

      LunaticDancerL This user is from outside of this forum
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      #5

      @mlevison so true, it astounds me people didn't see this coming from the start. Also there's the cognitive deterioration double whammy.

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      • Mark LevisonM Mark Levison

        AI is making us write more code. That's the problem.

        I analyzed research papers on AI-generated code quality. The findings:

        → 1.7x more issues than human-written code
        → 30-41% increase in technical debt
        → 39% increase in cognitive complexity
        → Initial speed gains disappear within a few months

        We're building the wrong thing faster and calling it productivity.

        Oliver SchönrockO This user is from outside of this forum
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        @mlevison

        That's my experience too.

        Dave Farley's. MSE channe, which I usually respect,l recently claimed the opposite though, based on a study they took part in.

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        • Mark LevisonM Mark Levison

          AI is making us write more code. That's the problem.

          I analyzed research papers on AI-generated code quality. The findings:

          → 1.7x more issues than human-written code
          → 30-41% increase in technical debt
          → 39% increase in cognitive complexity
          → Initial speed gains disappear within a few months

          We're building the wrong thing faster and calling it productivity.

          PiperP This user is from outside of this forum
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          @mlevison Goodhart's law in action. Actually, I'm not sure it even is an example of Goodhart's law. Raw quantity of code output would never have correlated strongly with quality. What do they think they're doing‽

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          • Mark LevisonM Mark Levison

            AI is making us write more code. That's the problem.

            I analyzed research papers on AI-generated code quality. The findings:

            → 1.7x more issues than human-written code
            → 30-41% increase in technical debt
            → 39% increase in cognitive complexity
            → Initial speed gains disappear within a few months

            We're building the wrong thing faster and calling it productivity.

            GothmogC This user is from outside of this forum
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            @mlevison I use LLMs to help me with basic code writing tasks, generating the structural frameworks, saving me a lot of typing time. However, I never rely on that code out of the box, I always review it thoroughly and often just snip and prune. I would never attempt to give an LLM a complicated set of instructions, it's going to fail every time.

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            • GothmogC Gothmog

              @mlevison I use LLMs to help me with basic code writing tasks, generating the structural frameworks, saving me a lot of typing time. However, I never rely on that code out of the box, I always review it thoroughly and often just snip and prune. I would never attempt to give an LLM a complicated set of instructions, it's going to fail every time.

              GothmogC This user is from outside of this forum
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              @mlevison Intellisense, pretti, etc. are all just tools for a smart developer.

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              • Mark LevisonM Mark Levison

                AI is making us write more code. That's the problem.

                I analyzed research papers on AI-generated code quality. The findings:

                → 1.7x more issues than human-written code
                → 30-41% increase in technical debt
                → 39% increase in cognitive complexity
                → Initial speed gains disappear within a few months

                We're building the wrong thing faster and calling it productivity.

                Chris PittsT This user is from outside of this forum
                Chris PittsT This user is from outside of this forum
                Chris Pitts
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                #10

                @mlevison I hear you. I am seeing it first hand. And I am being hammered for pointing this out and encouraging caution, while others are being rewarded for shipping 💩 “because AI”.

                Just call me ‘Cassandra’ 🤷‍♂️

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                • Mark LevisonM Mark Levison

                  Full analysis:
                  https://agilepainrelief.com/blog/ai-generated-code-quality-problems/?utm_source=mastodon&utm_campaign=archive-reshare

                  #AI #AIinSoftwareDevelopment

                  SamS This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #11

                  @mlevison This talk on AI productivity from a Stanford researcher goes into detail on this. Really interesting and gels with what you're saying: the actual productivity gains tended to be with simple (low-complexity, greenfield) tasks rather than anything bigger or more complex. https://youtu.be/tbDDYKRFjhk?si=AM5DPcJGeg_3ignp

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                  • GothmogC Gothmog

                    @mlevison Intellisense, pretti, etc. are all just tools for a smart developer.

                    Chris PittsT This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Chris Pitts
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                    #12

                    @crackhappy @mlevison Jetbrains vanilla Intellisense was pretty good even before the latest epidemic of AI psychosis.

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                    • Chris PittsT Chris Pitts

                      @crackhappy @mlevison Jetbrains vanilla Intellisense was pretty good even before the latest epidemic of AI psychosis.

                      GothmogC This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @thirstybear @mlevison I refuse to call what we currently have "Artificial Intelligence" because it is not. It's a fundamentally clever implementation of Markov chains with way way too much power applied.

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