@MisuseCase @randahl probably the smartest thing you could have said.

@benroyce @hadon @randahl are you stupid or simply incapable of reading?

Of course there's Ukrainian identity. It's just not equally applied to all we have been knowing as Ukraine so far. While it's true in westernmost parts of the country, eastern parts seem to feel more Russian than Ukrainian. So the problem there is basically the drawn borders. Therefore, let the Eastern parts of the country join Russia and that's it.

There were intelligence agencies knowing that and they created that civil war anyway. So why would you support that? Again: are you stupid?

@benroyce @randahl which happened AFTER that coup d'etat. Crazy they wanted to salvage their base in the Black Sea, huh?

"and yes, the usa across the ocean fucking sucks. and? what does that have to do with russia invading ukraine for mass murdering imperialism? you like imperialism, dimwit?"

Nothing, it has NOTHING to do.

Ok, go back to read fantasy tales of good and bad. I won't bother to answer you anymore. It's like talking to a 5 year old kid.

@benroyce @randahl I know what the Ukrainian people voted before that coup d'etat, and it was a pro-Russian president. So you think the will of the ones demonstrating was more important than that of the ones who voted for him?

@benroyce @randahl yes, Ukraine did. In the Donbass since 2014. In Odessa https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/the-odessa-trade-union-massacre-ten-years-later/

And this is why you live in the Teletubbies world. Say hi to Dinwy Winky from me.

PD: and no, I don't believe the Kremlin. But I know our enemy is not them, but the ones across the ocean.

@benroyce @randahl I don't think you're able to see how the world works due to ypur limited capacity, but a friendly Egypt government was needed by Israel - USA proxy agent in the region, as we've repeteadly seen -, while Ukraine was used by the same powers to push Russia far from Europe, where they had been taking relevant trading presence.

It's not about supporting Russia or Ukraine, it's about severing ties completely with the world's biggest fascist power nowadays that, yes, is able to give coup d'etats wherever they want and destroy countries and people's lives at will: USA.

@benroyce @randahl if you are able to remember what happened in that year 2014, although I seriously doubt your intellectual capacity, there was a parallel similar movement both in Ukraine and in Egypt, where 'the people rose up' (xD). There was a coup d'etat in both countries, in Ukraine against a pro-Russian guy, after whom Ukrainian nationalistic took power, began the war in the Donbass against pro-Russian regions and perpetrated the Odessa massacre; while in Egypt there was elections which gave place to the Muslim Brothers rule. The first ones were supported by the Western powers, while the second ones weren't and suffered another coup d'etat by their military who have been ruling ever since.

Then Egypt dissapeared from the news outlets while Ukraine was offered to host a NATO base, finally triggering Russia's invasion.

@benroyce @randahl ah, 'the Ukrainian people rose up on their own'? Really? Surely foreign intelligence agencies had nothing to do with it, just like in all Arab countries at that time, Egypt, Syria, now Iran.. Yeah, you really live in the Teletubbies world.

@randahl you know how we could have already ended this war? Not giving the 2014 coup d'etat, sponsored by the US and the EU. That would have created 0 wars. Now you want the European citizenship to support a war created by some criminals in our name by giving the power in Ukraine to their worst nationalistic fascists? No, I don't think so. Go fight yourself.