When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.
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@randahl Alright. Let's just attack Russia and hope we don't see 5.000 nukes falling from the sky. That sounds like an amazing idea.
Actually, why don't we just end ourselves and spare the Russians the trouble.
if russia nukes europe moscow ceases to exist in an equivalent nuclear hellfire. so russia won't nuke europe
and europeans aren't just going to end themselves as you wish, vatnik
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in the arab spring as well the people rose up on their own
you're the one living in a teletubbies world where they push magic buttons at CIA hq and then magically thousands, millions of people suddenly desire to be free of sick feeble autocratic corrupt govts
it's not possible that the people living in those countries, all on their very own, don't like their govts? that's a crazy idea to you?
why are you so dumb?
why do you believe stupid weak kremlin lies?
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@benroyce @randahl if you are able to remember what happened in that year 2014, although I seriously doubt your intellectual capacity, there was a parallel similar movement both in Ukraine and in Egypt, where 'the people rose up' (xD). There was a coup d'etat in both countries, in Ukraine against a pro-Russian guy, after whom Ukrainian nationalistic took power, began the war in the Donbass against pro-Russian regions and perpetrated the Odessa massacre; while in Egypt there was elections which gave place to the Muslim Brothers rule. The first ones were supported by the Western powers, while the second ones weren't and suffered another coup d'etat by their military who have been ruling ever since.
Then Egypt dissapeared from the news outlets while Ukraine was offered to host a NATO base, finally triggering Russia's invasion.
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@benroyce @randahl if you are able to remember what happened in that year 2014, although I seriously doubt your intellectual capacity, there was a parallel similar movement both in Ukraine and in Egypt, where 'the people rose up' (xD). There was a coup d'etat in both countries, in Ukraine against a pro-Russian guy, after whom Ukrainian nationalistic took power, began the war in the Donbass against pro-Russian regions and perpetrated the Odessa massacre; while in Egypt there was elections which gave place to the Muslim Brothers rule. The first ones were supported by the Western powers, while the second ones weren't and suffered another coup d'etat by their military who have been ruling ever since.
Then Egypt dissapeared from the news outlets while Ukraine was offered to host a NATO base, finally triggering Russia's invasion.
i understand the vatnik lies, idiot
a revolution by the people is not a coup, you stupid liar
ukraine did not declare war on their own people. russia moved troops into donbas and started a war, in ukraine. ukraine was fighting a russian invasion in donbas in 2014
don't believe me? putin said so, you stupid liar:
and nato base?
don't you mean werewolf supersoldier biolab?
nobody sane believes your ignorant vatnik bullshit, you stupid liar
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@benroyce @randahl if you are able to remember what happened in that year 2014, although I seriously doubt your intellectual capacity, there was a parallel similar movement both in Ukraine and in Egypt, where 'the people rose up' (xD). There was a coup d'etat in both countries, in Ukraine against a pro-Russian guy, after whom Ukrainian nationalistic took power, began the war in the Donbass against pro-Russian regions and perpetrated the Odessa massacre; while in Egypt there was elections which gave place to the Muslim Brothers rule. The first ones were supported by the Western powers, while the second ones weren't and suffered another coup d'etat by their military who have been ruling ever since.
Then Egypt dissapeared from the news outlets while Ukraine was offered to host a NATO base, finally triggering Russia's invasion.
@benroyce @randahl I don't think you're able to see how the world works due to ypur limited capacity, but a friendly Egypt government was needed by Israel - USA proxy agent in the region, as we've repeteadly seen -, while Ukraine was used by the same powers to push Russia far from Europe, where they had been taking relevant trading presence.
It's not about supporting Russia or Ukraine, it's about severing ties completely with the world's biggest fascist power nowadays that, yes, is able to give coup d'etats wherever they want and destroy countries and people's lives at will: USA.
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When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.
Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU and 69 million UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.
We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.
I find that profoundly shameful.
@randahl With the deplorable state of the Russian army after 4 years of the 3 day special military operation the course of the war would completely change if just a couple of European countries sent troops right now. I don't understand why we don't just do it.
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i understand the vatnik lies, idiot
a revolution by the people is not a coup, you stupid liar
ukraine did not declare war on their own people. russia moved troops into donbas and started a war, in ukraine. ukraine was fighting a russian invasion in donbas in 2014
don't believe me? putin said so, you stupid liar:
and nato base?
don't you mean werewolf supersoldier biolab?
nobody sane believes your ignorant vatnik bullshit, you stupid liar
@benroyce @randahl yes, Ukraine did. In the Donbass since 2014. In Odessa https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/the-odessa-trade-union-massacre-ten-years-later/
And this is why you live in the Teletubbies world. Say hi to Dinwy Winky from me.
PD: and no, I don't believe the Kremlin. But I know our enemy is not them, but the ones across the ocean.
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When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.
Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU and 69 million UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.
We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.
I find that profoundly shameful.
The war industry profits more than in peacetime. The Ukrainians are pawns, small change, an easy investment.
And it starts when Joe Public invests a few bucks of his bitcoins in Heckler & Koch, Colt, FN Herstal, Kalashnikov, Sig Sauer, General Dynamics, Rheinmetall, BAE Systems, Nexter Systems, MBDA, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Rafael, Boeing, et. al. Investors and manufacturers have an interest in continuing the war. Anything for a little cream in your coffee before you retire...
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@benroyce @randahl I don't think you're able to see how the world works due to ypur limited capacity, but a friendly Egypt government was needed by Israel - USA proxy agent in the region, as we've repeteadly seen -, while Ukraine was used by the same powers to push Russia far from Europe, where they had been taking relevant trading presence.
It's not about supporting Russia or Ukraine, it's about severing ties completely with the world's biggest fascist power nowadays that, yes, is able to give coup d'etats wherever they want and destroy countries and people's lives at will: USA.
you talk boring stupid lying geopolitics crap and not once do you consider the wants and desires of the people themselves living in those countries. do you think they are incapable of revolting? do you think revolutions never existed in human history and then suddenly the CIA invented the concept in 2011 with magic mind control buttons?
why are you so dumb?
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you talk boring stupid lying geopolitics crap and not once do you consider the wants and desires of the people themselves living in those countries. do you think they are incapable of revolting? do you think revolutions never existed in human history and then suddenly the CIA invented the concept in 2011 with magic mind control buttons?
why are you so dumb?
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@benroyce @randahl yes, Ukraine did. In the Donbass since 2014. In Odessa https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/the-odessa-trade-union-massacre-ten-years-later/
And this is why you live in the Teletubbies world. Say hi to Dinwy Winky from me.
PD: and no, I don't believe the Kremlin. But I know our enemy is not them, but the ones across the ocean.
the odessa clashes were pro-russia and pro-ukraine mobs fighting it out AFTER russia seized crimea and sent troops into donbas, you stupid liar
you are a lying vatnik, or you are a moron who believe kremlin lies with zero thought going on in that walnut sized cranium of yours
and yes, the usa across the ocean fucking sucks. and? what does that have to do with russia invading ukraine for mass murdering imperialism? you like imperialism, dimwit?
why. are. you. so. dumb.
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do you know what a coup d'etat is?
do you think the great mass of people on the street, a revolution, is a coup d'etat?
do you think at all about how fucking stupid you sound and how weak and hilarious your dumb lies are?
or does the taste of putin's boot in your mouth as you lick it so tenderly is just that appealing to you, you stupid liar
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the odessa clashes were pro-russia and pro-ukraine mobs fighting it out AFTER russia seized crimea and sent troops into donbas, you stupid liar
you are a lying vatnik, or you are a moron who believe kremlin lies with zero thought going on in that walnut sized cranium of yours
and yes, the usa across the ocean fucking sucks. and? what does that have to do with russia invading ukraine for mass murdering imperialism? you like imperialism, dimwit?
why. are. you. so. dumb.
@benroyce @randahl which happened AFTER that coup d'etat. Crazy they wanted to salvage their base in the Black Sea, huh?
"and yes, the usa across the ocean fucking sucks. and? what does that have to do with russia invading ukraine for mass murdering imperialism? you like imperialism, dimwit?"
Nothing, it has NOTHING to do.
Ok, go back to read fantasy tales of good and bad. I won't bother to answer you anymore. It's like talking to a 5 year old kid.
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@benroyce @randahl which happened AFTER that coup d'etat. Crazy they wanted to salvage their base in the Black Sea, huh?
"and yes, the usa across the ocean fucking sucks. and? what does that have to do with russia invading ukraine for mass murdering imperialism? you like imperialism, dimwit?"
Nothing, it has NOTHING to do.
Ok, go back to read fantasy tales of good and bad. I won't bother to answer you anymore. It's like talking to a 5 year old kid.
"coup d'etat"
"coup d'etat"
"coup d'etat"
you think if you keep repeating that embarrassing lie it means anything except that you're a complete moron? do you think you're clever?
you're a weak troll my friend. people are laughing at you, because what you're saying is so weak and stupid. understand they think you're a dimwit
"it has NOTHING to do"
what russia is doing in ukraine has nothing to do with imperialism?
why. are. you. so. dumb.
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@randahl Alright. Let's just attack Russia and hope we don't see 5.000 nukes falling from the sky. That sounds like an amazing idea.
Actually, why don't we just end ourselves and spare the Russians the trouble.
@Ravonges @randahl βIt is not for honours, riches, or glory that we fight, but for freedom and freedom alone, which no true man surrenders but with life itselfβ
σ §σ ’σ ³σ £σ ΄σ Ώ Iβd rather be dead than have Putin have any say in how things are outside Russia. He started invading a peaceful country and he can fuck right off!
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@randahl the Vatnik/Tankies usually retort: "if you want war, then pack and join the front lines" π€¬
Usually I answer that "if we don't use our armies, then we can simply dismantle them" I noticed in France, many people are fine sending the army meddling in Africa, yet when it comes to Russia... crickets.
@FrancoisPrague @randahl in the ten years I lived in France, I noticed the colonial mindset is still bubbling under the surface.
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When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.
Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU and 69 million UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.
We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.
I find that profoundly shameful.
@randahl maybe because you are old enough to not go to the frontline. What about the young population? Are you ready to kill hundreds of thousands of us?
Another reason is not going to war to defend a continent that sucks up to trump, and still trades with Russia through other countries. Hypocrisy.
Maybe you can say that anyway they will strike us. A situation VERY different than escalating the war by having 20 something countries declaring war at russia. 1/2
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@randahl maybe because you are old enough to not go to the frontline. What about the young population? Are you ready to kill hundreds of thousands of us?
Another reason is not going to war to defend a continent that sucks up to trump, and still trades with Russia through other countries. Hypocrisy.
Maybe you can say that anyway they will strike us. A situation VERY different than escalating the war by having 20 something countries declaring war at russia. 1/2
@randahl yes, they are agressors, and criminals, but more coffins is not the answer.
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When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.
Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU and 69 million UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.
We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.
I find that profoundly shameful.
@randahl
At least the demand of weapons should've been answered appropriately at the very start.
EU always proclaims being a union of countries, not only for the economy. A "misconception", rather say propaganda, if you ask me.
Now that the USA is lost as the "big Brother" taking the lead (conveniently) the truth is revealed.
Worse than that nowadays the states are rather a helper for russia - mind even with bases inside the EU.
*Nobody* wants a war *at home*. So does Ukraine. -
When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.
Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU and 69 million UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.
We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.
I find that profoundly shameful.
@randahl Europe could bring Russia to its knees without firing a shot:
1οΈβ£ Total economic isolation β real sanctions, no loopholes
2οΈβ£ Seize frozen Russian assets and give them to Ukraine
3οΈβ£ Full diplomatic and institutional isolationEurope doesnβt lack power. It lacks political will.
