When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

@benroyce @randahl ah, 'the Ukrainian people rose up on their own'? Really? Surely foreign intelligence agencies had nothing to do with it, just like in all Arab countries at that time, Egypt, Syria, now Iran.. Yeah, you really live in the Teletubbies world.

@benroyce @randahl if you are able to remember what happened in that year 2014, although I seriously doubt your intellectual capacity, there was a parallel similar movement both in Ukraine and in Egypt, where 'the people rose up' (xD). There was a coup d'etat in both countries, in Ukraine against a pro-Russian guy, after whom Ukrainian nationalistic took power, began the war in the Donbass against pro-Russian regions and perpetrated the Odessa massacre; while in Egypt there was elections which gave place to the Muslim Brothers rule. The first ones were supported by the Western powers, while the second ones weren't and suffered another coup d'etat by their military who have been ruling ever since.

Then Egypt dissapeared from the news outlets while Ukraine was offered to host a NATO base, finally triggering Russia's invasion.

@benroyce @randahl if you are able to remember what happened in that year 2014, although I seriously doubt your intellectual capacity, there was a parallel similar movement both in Ukraine and in Egypt, where 'the people rose up' (xD). There was a coup d'etat in both countries, in Ukraine against a pro-Russian guy, after whom Ukrainian nationalistic took power, began the war in the Donbass against pro-Russian regions and perpetrated the Odessa massacre; while in Egypt there was elections which gave place to the Muslim Brothers rule. The first ones were supported by the Western powers, while the second ones weren't and suffered another coup d'etat by their military who have been ruling ever since.

Then Egypt dissapeared from the news outlets while Ukraine was offered to host a NATO base, finally triggering Russia's invasion.

When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU and 69 million UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

I find that profoundly shameful.

@aguVV @randahl

i understand the vatnik lies, idiot

a revolution by the people is not a coup, you stupid liar

ukraine did not declare war on their own people. russia moved troops into donbas and started a war, in ukraine. ukraine was fighting a russian invasion in donbas in 2014

don't believe me? putin said so, you stupid liar:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/17/vladimir-putin-admits-russian-military-presence-ukraine

and nato base?

don't you mean werewolf supersoldier biolab?

nobody sane believes your ignorant vatnik bullshit, you stupid liar

When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU and 69 million UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

I find that profoundly shameful.

@benroyce @randahl I don't think you're able to see how the world works due to ypur limited capacity, but a friendly Egypt government was needed by Israel - USA proxy agent in the region, as we've repeteadly seen -, while Ukraine was used by the same powers to push Russia far from Europe, where they had been taking relevant trading presence.

It's not about supporting Russia or Ukraine, it's about severing ties completely with the world's biggest fascist power nowadays that, yes, is able to give coup d'etats wherever they want and destroy countries and people's lives at will: USA.

@aguVV @randahl

you talk boring stupid lying geopolitics crap and not once do you consider the wants and desires of the people themselves living in those countries. do you think they are incapable of revolting? do you think revolutions never existed in human history and then suddenly the CIA invented the concept in 2011 with magic mind control buttons?

why are you so dumb?

@benroyce @randahl yes, Ukraine did. In the Donbass since 2014. In Odessa https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/the-odessa-trade-union-massacre-ten-years-later/

And this is why you live in the Teletubbies world. Say hi to Dinwy Winky from me.

PD: and no, I don't believe the Kremlin. But I know our enemy is not them, but the ones across the ocean.

@benroyce @randahl I know what the Ukrainian people voted before that coup d'etat, and it was a pro-Russian president. So you think the will of the ones demonstrating was more important than that of the ones who voted for him?

@aguVV @randahl

the odessa clashes were pro-russia and pro-ukraine mobs fighting it out AFTER russia seized crimea and sent troops into donbas, you stupid liar

you are a lying vatnik, or you are a moron who believe kremlin lies with zero thought going on in that walnut sized cranium of yours

and yes, the usa across the ocean fucking sucks. and? what does that have to do with russia invading ukraine for mass murdering imperialism? you like imperialism, dimwit?

why. are. you. so. dumb.

@benroyce @randahl which happened AFTER that coup d'etat. Crazy they wanted to salvage their base in the Black Sea, huh?

"and yes, the usa across the ocean fucking sucks. and? what does that have to do with russia invading ukraine for mass murdering imperialism? you like imperialism, dimwit?"

Nothing, it has NOTHING to do.

Ok, go back to read fantasy tales of good and bad. I won't bother to answer you anymore. It's like talking to a 5 year old kid.

@randahl Alright. Let's just attack Russia and hope we don't see 5.000 nukes falling from the sky. That sounds like an amazing idea.

Actually, why don't we just end ourselves and spare the Russians the trouble.

@randahl the Vatnik/Tankies usually retort: "if you want war, then pack and join the front lines" 🤬
Usually I answer that "if we don't use our armies, then we can simply dismantle them"

I noticed in France, many people are fine sending the army meddling in Africa, yet when it comes to Russia... crickets.

When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU and 69 million UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

I find that profoundly shameful.

@randahl maybe because you are old enough to not go to the frontline. What about the young population? Are you ready to kill hundreds of thousands of us?

Another reason is not going to war to defend a continent that sucks up to trump, and still trades with Russia through other countries. Hypocrisy.

Maybe you can say that anyway they will strike us. A situation VERY different than escalating the war by having 20 something countries declaring war at russia. 1/2

When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU and 69 million UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

I find that profoundly shameful.

When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU and 69 million UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

I find that profoundly shameful.

@randahl maybe because you are old enough to not go to the frontline. What about the young population? Are you ready to kill hundreds of thousands of us?

Another reason is not going to war to defend a continent that sucks up to trump, and still trades with Russia through other countries. Hypocrisy.

Maybe you can say that anyway they will strike us. A situation VERY different than escalating the war by having 20 something countries declaring war at russia. 1/2

When the war in Ukraine broke out, and Europe was hesitant in the first year, I thought alright, this is a surprise to everyone and of course we need time to prepare.

Now 4 years have passed, and we are 450 million EU and 69 million UK citizens still standing on the sidelines, telling 38 million Ukrainians they should fight 133 million Russians on their own.

We could end this war. Instead we keep pretending that it is fine to let Ukraine take all the punches.

I find that profoundly shameful.