@fkamiah17 Is that illegal I wonder? Who was the Met Police Chief at the time? Wonder if there's a case there?

@dec23k

I think that the argument could be made that Meta is a lot worse than Musk. Their enthusiastic support for Brexit, the destruction of democracy globally, their strong participation in the success of such a wide range of fascist governments together with their ongoing platforming of environmental denial stands out for me. It's just a bit more subtle than Musk.

@ikuturso @harri @noodlemaz

@dec23k @noodlemaz @harri @ikuturso yeah - exactly. I’m not discriminating between depths of fascism

@noodlemaz @woo yeah - I understand and agree. Man - I’ve been plenty slow enough in my time to make changes which were needed. The original point I made was about the framing. Like - this really is a step too far…. Anyway…

@noodlemaz @greenpartyni ok - firstly: I need to apologise. I do not want to criticise the decision to stay or leave. I fully get why folks are still there

For me - and I’m sure I expressed myself badly - it’s the framing which matters (ie *now* we have to go) which kind of normalises what went before. Anyway… I don’t want to be fighting the Green Party who I support wholeheartedly…

@harri @noodlemaz I’m not suggesting they are equal. But I’d argue strongly that morally they are equivalent. Tech bro, extreme right wing run. Both are closing Palestinian accounts right now for eg and censoring liberal voices. So morally identical if technically being shit in different ways.

@greenpartyni excellent… I understand. Anyway - not much more for me to add to this thread.

@noodlemaz so I definitely don’t throw this at everyone - in fact I wonder if I’ve ever done it before?

And I put up a simple post - fairly mild. Was that really so bad? Because I think their post was shocking tbh…

@d10c4n3 @noodlemaz @harri oh - I agree completely. If folks continue to use those platforms - I really do understand. Individuals (who need to be able to speak to granny, get up to date news feeds - however shitty etc). Makes total sense.

But please don’t say: this was a step too far and ask us to just suck that up. Surely the framing is: we have to use shitty billionaire media for reasons you all understand and we’ll prioritise non-shitty

@harri @noodlemaz sure - but they can frame it that way. Not - hey look: we don’t like paedophiles so we’re quitting X.

That’s just rubbish. After all - what’s the difference between X today and X pre-latest scandal? Or X and Bluesky, Threads, FB etc?

@DziadekMick @greenpartyni exactly

@noodlemaz I’d also point out that the line from GPNI is effectively ‘X is now so bad we can’t stay’.

Really? It took the latest outrage? Really?

@noodlemaz Yes. In the case of a thinking organisation, I do. Pressure works sometimes. Saying nothing is sometimes the wrong thing to do. We all have our lines.

If it’s an individual I say nothing because we have to live in this shitty world and all of us - myself included - make compromises that we hate making. But where it’s an organisation that wants our support *because they are the ethical choice* then I’m going to say something…

@greenpartyni I’m a big Green Party fan and I try not to wade in and piss on others’ parades but continuing to use Meta platforms, and only leaving X now isn’t somthing to be celebrated…