Something I believe may be warrant discussion is how each instance is beholden to the rules of another by virtue of federation.
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Something I believe may be warrant discussion is how each instance is beholden to the rules of another by virtue of federation. Something that has given way to vibes-based reporting which our administrator has been unable to act on.
This has, unfortunately, resulted in the slander of our instance. Branded as allegedly being "anti-moderation" and "bigoted" for choosing not to punish their users over frivolous reports or engage in the fediblock of the more fringe or controversial instances on here ourselves.
So Fedizens, what are your thoughts?
Tags: #FediAdmin, #MastoAdmin, #ServerAdmin, #Moderation, #Moderation, #Moderators, #FediMods, #MastoMods, #TrustAndSafety, #SocialMedia, #Sociology, #FediMeta, #Fedi, #Federation, #Fediverse, #Politics, #Fediblock, #Blocklist. -
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Something I believe may be warrant discussion is how each instance is beholden to the rules of another by virtue of federation. Something that has given way to vibes-based reporting which our administrator has been unable to act on.
This has, unfortunately, resulted in the slander of our instance. Branded as allegedly being "anti-moderation" and "bigoted" for choosing not to punish their users over frivolous reports or engage in the fediblock of the more fringe or controversial instances on here ourselves.
So Fedizens, what are your thoughts?
Tags: #FediAdmin, #MastoAdmin, #ServerAdmin, #Moderation, #Moderation, #Moderators, #FediMods, #MastoMods, #TrustAndSafety, #SocialMedia, #Sociology, #FediMeta, #Fedi, #Federation, #Fediverse, #Politics, #Fediblock, #Blocklist.You really ought to write a blog post on epistemic heuristics and the impact that it has on moderating communities @xaetacore. I've known for a while what it was through observing cause and effect, but never really knew the proper terminology for it until recently. A lot of interactions suddenly made a whole lot of sense afterward in retrospect. -
Something I believe may be warrant discussion is how each instance is beholden to the rules of another by virtue of federation. Something that has given way to vibes-based reporting which our administrator has been unable to act on.
This has, unfortunately, resulted in the slander of our instance. Branded as allegedly being "anti-moderation" and "bigoted" for choosing not to punish their users over frivolous reports or engage in the fediblock of the more fringe or controversial instances on here ourselves.
So Fedizens, what are your thoughts?
Tags: #FediAdmin, #MastoAdmin, #ServerAdmin, #Moderation, #Moderation, #Moderators, #FediMods, #MastoMods, #TrustAndSafety, #SocialMedia, #Sociology, #FediMeta, #Fedi, #Federation, #Fediverse, #Politics, #Fediblock, #Blocklist.The thing about federation and moderation, independently, is that everyone thinks they can do it better and that you should do what they think is right. So federation x moderation is that problem effectively squared.
We do actually have an issue somewhere in AP T&S about federating instance rules, so effectively making it such that when you on server A go to report a user on server B the UI can ask you "do you think this violates just your rules or server B's rules too?"
Today that's not possible because there's no standard protocol for communicating this data. Hopefully after we introduce Moderation Actors we can have those have a Collection of rules or policies, making that data available on protocol
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Having some moderation functionality embedded at the ActivityPub layer would definitely help in streamlining the moderation process between two instances. Hopefully you'll be able to add functionality that useful the developers of Fediverse software would be incentivized to interact with the standard.
Something we've been doing at Neondystopia.world that the culture of the Fediverse could benefit from is comparing our rules against those of the instance from which a report originated. That way, we can determine whether a violation occurred and inform what our next course of action would be to address the issue.
By providing a way for the staff of instances to communicate directly between each other and expose that communication to the appropriate designated roles, violations could be discussed in an open and transparent manner and facilitate closer cooperation between instances in doing so and help shape a better culture where defederation and frivolous reports aren't the first course of taken action.
That said, when you start considering how two instances can communicate with each other in a manner that respects designated roles, you end up moving beyond the scope of a protocol into feature implementation for Fediverse software.
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Having some moderation functionality embedded at the ActivityPub layer would definitely help in streamlining the moderation process between two instances. Hopefully you'll be able to add functionality that useful the developers of Fediverse software would be incentivized to interact with the standard.
Something we've been doing at Neondystopia.world that the culture of the Fediverse could benefit from is comparing our rules against those of the instance from which a report originated. That way, we can determine whether a violation occurred and inform what our next course of action would be to address the issue.
By providing a way for the staff of instances to communicate directly between each other and expose that communication to the appropriate designated roles, violations could be discussed in an open and transparent manner and facilitate closer cooperation between instances in doing so. Helping shape a better culture where defederation and frivolous reports aren't the first course of taken action.
That said, when you start considering how two instances can communicate with each other in a manner that respects designated roles, you end up moving beyond the scope of a protocol into feature implementation for Fediverse software.
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Having some moderation functionality embedded at the ActivityPub layer would definitely help in streamlining the moderation process between two instances. Hopefully you'll be able to add functionality that useful the developers of Fediverse software would be incentivized to interact with the standard.
Something we've been doing at Neondystopia.world that the culture of the Fediverse could benefit from is comparing our rules against those of the instance from which a report originated. That way, we can determine whether a violation occurred and inform what our next course of action would be to address the issue.
By providing a way for the staff of instances to communicate directly between each other and expose that communication to the appropriate designated roles, violations could be discussed in an open and transparent manner and facilitate closer cooperation between instances in doing so and help shape a better culture where defederation and frivolous reports aren't the first course of taken action.
That said, when you start considering how two instances can communicate with each other in a manner that respects designated roles, you end up moving beyond the scope of a protocol into feature implementation for Fediverse software.
@thisismissem@activitypub.space@saorsa@neondystopia.world I encourage you to attend our meetings! Anyone can contribute, it's a community group. We're working on things that can become standards in the future. See: https://activitypub.space/topic/103/activitypub-trust-safety-taskforce-forum
For C2S you really need to solve the separation of "application moderation" and "service layer moderation" – I think Bryan Newbold breaks it down really well in this post, with respect to AT Protocol: https://whtwnd.com/bnewbold.net/3m2j6ccx2bs2t
One of the things AP T&S is trying to work on is once we have the concept of "moderation actors" we can then privately pass Note's between moderation teams in respect to a Flag activity that they know about. i.e., we can enable moderators to talk with each other privately.
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Having some moderation functionality embedded at the ActivityPub layer would definitely help in streamlining the moderation process between two instances. Hopefully you'll be able to add functionality that useful the developers of Fediverse software would be incentivized to interact with the standard.
Something we've been doing at Neondystopia.world that the culture of the Fediverse could benefit from is comparing our rules against those of the instance from which a report originated. That way, we can determine whether a violation occurred and inform what our next course of action would be to address the issue.
By providing a way for the staff of instances to communicate directly between each other and expose that communication to the appropriate designated roles, violations could be discussed in an open and transparent manner and facilitate closer cooperation between instances in doing so. Helping shape a better culture where defederation and frivolous reports aren't the first course of taken action.
That said, when you start considering how two instances can communicate with each other in a manner that respects designated roles, you end up moving beyond the scope of a protocol into feature implementation for Fediverse software.
@thisismissem@activitypub.space@Saorsa legend for advocating for this
@thisismissem@activitypub.space legend for listening and giving us some insight
I am all for inter instance cooperation if it prevents parts from the fedi of being segregated when such draconian measures are not required yet.
There are a lot of instances that federate freely and opt-in for a case-by-case moderation basis. Because they want to be able to federate freely for the sake of their members.
I think the guilt by association mindset could be remedied by more complete reports.
I'm not blaming other instances for taking the easy route in lack of information and context, i can understand with the sheer volume of reports that some of these communities receive on a weekly basis that would be very difficult.
But I have faith in the development and improvement of the activitypub protocol. And honestly, I consider it the future of social media, decentralization is the future.
Thank you for your continued development
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Something I believe may be warrant discussion is how each instance is beholden to the rules of another by virtue of federation. Something that has given way to vibes-based reporting which our administrator has been unable to act on.
This has, unfortunately, resulted in the slander of our instance. Branded as allegedly being "anti-moderation" and "bigoted" for choosing not to punish their users over frivolous reports or engage in the fediblock of the more fringe or controversial instances on here ourselves.
So Fedizens, what are your thoughts?
Tags: #FediAdmin, #MastoAdmin, #ServerAdmin, #Moderation, #Moderation, #Moderators, #FediMods, #MastoMods, #TrustAndSafety, #SocialMedia, #Sociology, #FediMeta, #Fedi, #Federation, #Fediverse, #Politics, #Fediblock, #Blocklist.heh, I kinda learned moderation in trial by fire with switter.at where I was one of the early mods, and the fediverse weren't ready for us, and mastodon didn't have tools capable enough to moderate at that scale — hundreds of reports a day, community size doubling daily.
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I ended up developing my own framework for moderation as a consequence getting banned or driven out of communities for not fitting as an adolescent.
I wasn't aware at the time the strong undercurrent of ableism that quietly permeates throughout most communities that punishes neurodivergence for non-conformity. Leniency, Freedom of Speech and comprehensive rules became the core tenets for a community I created that had over two thousand five hundred people. I wanted to carve out a place for people like myself that have been done dirty elsewhere as a result of out and in-groups.
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