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  3. "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

"The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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  • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

    "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

    Allan Svelmøe HansenS This user is from outside of this forum
    Allan Svelmøe HansenS This user is from outside of this forum
    Allan Svelmøe Hansen
    wrote last edited by
    #17

    @pikesley and would "we" even be able to know the difference. Slop looks like slop.

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    • FediThing :progress_pride:F FediThing :progress_pride:

      @pikesley

      Using LLMs is the intellectual equivalent of sawing the branch you're sitting on.

      Quincy ⁂Q This user is from outside of this forum
      Quincy ⁂Q This user is from outside of this forum
      Quincy ⁂
      wrote last edited by
      #18

      @FediThing @pikesley

      Someone should explain this to my coworkers. I tried, it's like talking against a wall.

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      • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

        "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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        David
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        #19

        @pikesley see recursive pollution and model collapse. Eg https://berryvilleiml.com/2026/01/10/recursive-pollution-and-model-collapse-are-not-the-same/

        But also see this paper arguing that collapse does not happen if you accumulate training data rather than replace old data with new data; instead, it converges towards a limited level of errors.
        https://arxiv.org/pdf/2404.01413

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        • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

          This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me 👌

          Cesare PautassoP This user is from outside of this forum
          Cesare PautassoP This user is from outside of this forum
          Cesare Pautasso
          wrote last edited by
          #20

          @pikesley yes, it's also known as the "training data harvester" dark pattern.

          https://leanpub.com/unethical-software-engineering

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          • FediThing :progress_pride:F FediThing :progress_pride:

            @pikesley

            Using LLMs is the intellectual equivalent of sawing the branch you're sitting on.

            AgarwaënA This user is from outside of this forum
            AgarwaënA This user is from outside of this forum
            Agarwaën
            wrote last edited by
            #21

            @FediThing @pikesley I use the expression "poisoning the well of knowledge".

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            • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

              This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me 👌

              Magneto was rightP This user is from outside of this forum
              Magneto was rightP This user is from outside of this forum
              Magneto was right
              wrote last edited by
              #22

              Attracting a lot of r/iamverysmart types who clearly do not know the context of the quote

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              • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                Attracting a lot of r/iamverysmart types who clearly do not know the context of the quote

                badambassadorB This user is from outside of this forum
                badambassadorB This user is from outside of this forum
                badambassador
                wrote last edited by
                #23

                @pikesley I live in fear of the day that I miss some context, or reply to something where I didn't actually know the context and make myself look like an arse. How do these people sleep at night?!

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                • Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)M Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)

                  @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

                  Neo EhproqueE This user is from outside of this forum
                  Neo EhproqueE This user is from outside of this forum
                  Neo Ehproque
                  wrote last edited by
                  #24

                  @m @pikesley more like *slop human centipede*

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                  • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                    This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me 👌

                    Wendizen 🇺🇦W This user is from outside of this forum
                    Wendizen 🇺🇦W This user is from outside of this forum
                    Wendizen 🇺🇦
                    wrote last edited by
                    #25

                    @pikesley AIsplaining? 😹

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                    • Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)M Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)

                      @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

                      Wendizen 🇺🇦W This user is from outside of this forum
                      Wendizen 🇺🇦W This user is from outside of this forum
                      Wendizen 🇺🇦
                      wrote last edited by
                      #26

                      @m @pikesley New track: infinity ♾️

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                      • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                        "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                        KinguK This user is from outside of this forum
                        KinguK This user is from outside of this forum
                        Kingu
                        wrote last edited by
                        #27

                        @pikesley

                        I don't think it is "eventually"

                        It's right now!

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                        • KinguK Kingu

                          @pikesley

                          I don't think it is "eventually"

                          It's right now!

                          Hypolite PetovanH This user is from outside of this forum
                          Hypolite PetovanH This user is from outside of this forum
                          Hypolite Petovan
                          wrote last edited by
                          #28

                          @Kingu @pikesley This is a parody of a famous quote by Margaret Thatcher that goes "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money.".

                          She was famously wrong, of course, and it's nice to see her nasty words pointed at LLMs instead.

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                          • Hypolite PetovanH Hypolite Petovan

                            @Kingu @pikesley This is a parody of a famous quote by Margaret Thatcher that goes "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money.".

                            She was famously wrong, of course, and it's nice to see her nasty words pointed at LLMs instead.

                            KinguK This user is from outside of this forum
                            KinguK This user is from outside of this forum
                            Kingu
                            wrote last edited by
                            #29

                            @hypolite @pikesley

                            With LLM, it's true 🙂

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