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  3. "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

"The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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  • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

    "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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    NeoAurum
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    #12

    @pikesley well said

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    • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

      This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me πŸ‘Œ

      Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)M This user is from outside of this forum
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      Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)
      wrote last edited by
      #13

      @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

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      • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

        "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

        Gemma β­οΈπŸ”°πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡­ 🎐G This user is from outside of this forum
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        Gemma β­οΈπŸ”°πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡­ 🎐
        wrote last edited by
        #14

        @pikesley That was sublime. Thank you for that inversion of neoliberalism.

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        • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

          "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

          @iveylineI This user is from outside of this forum
          @iveylineI This user is from outside of this forum
          @iveyline
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          #15

          @pikesley Exactly? And then they may begin to make up their own "work" and that's potentially very dangerous to the human race.

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          • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

            "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

            Rafael PΓ©rez ❄️R This user is from outside of this forum
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            Rafael PΓ©rez ❄️
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            #16

            @pikesley

            The fact that one could substitute the acronym "LLM" with the word "artist" without the quote losing sense, is eeryly suggestive.

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            • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

              "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

              Allan SvelmΓΈe HansenS This user is from outside of this forum
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              Allan SvelmΓΈe Hansen
              wrote last edited by
              #17

              @pikesley and would "we" even be able to know the difference. Slop looks like slop.

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              • FediThing :progress_pride:F FediThing :progress_pride:

                @pikesley

                Using LLMs is the intellectual equivalent of sawing the branch you're sitting on.

                Quincy ⁂Q This user is from outside of this forum
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                Quincy ⁂
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                #18

                @FediThing @pikesley

                Someone should explain this to my coworkers. I tried, it's like talking against a wall.

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                • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                  "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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                  David
                  wrote last edited by
                  #19

                  @pikesley see recursive pollution and model collapse. Eg https://berryvilleiml.com/2026/01/10/recursive-pollution-and-model-collapse-are-not-the-same/

                  But also see this paper arguing that collapse does not happen if you accumulate training data rather than replace old data with new data; instead, it converges towards a limited level of errors.
                  https://arxiv.org/pdf/2404.01413

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                  • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                    This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me πŸ‘Œ

                    Cesare PautassoP This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Cesare Pautasso
                    wrote last edited by
                    #20

                    @pikesley yes, it's also known as the "training data harvester" dark pattern.

                    https://leanpub.com/unethical-software-engineering

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                    • FediThing :progress_pride:F FediThing :progress_pride:

                      @pikesley

                      Using LLMs is the intellectual equivalent of sawing the branch you're sitting on.

                      AgarwaΓ«nA This user is from outside of this forum
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                      AgarwaΓ«n
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                      #21

                      @FediThing @pikesley I use the expression "poisoning the well of knowledge".

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                      • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                        This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me πŸ‘Œ

                        Magneto was rightP This user is from outside of this forum
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                        Magneto was right
                        wrote last edited by
                        #22

                        Attracting a lot of r/iamverysmart types who clearly do not know the context of the quote

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                        • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                          Attracting a lot of r/iamverysmart types who clearly do not know the context of the quote

                          badambassadorB This user is from outside of this forum
                          badambassadorB This user is from outside of this forum
                          badambassador
                          wrote last edited by
                          #23

                          @pikesley I live in fear of the day that I miss some context, or reply to something where I didn't actually know the context and make myself look like an arse. How do these people sleep at night?!

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                          • Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)M Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)

                            @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

                            Neo EhproqueE This user is from outside of this forum
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                            Neo Ehproque
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                            #24

                            @m @pikesley more like *slop human centipede*

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                            • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                              This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me πŸ‘Œ

                              Wendizen πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦W This user is from outside of this forum
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                              Wendizen πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦
                              wrote last edited by
                              #25

                              @pikesley AIsplaining? 😹

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                              • Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)M Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)

                                @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

                                Wendizen πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦W This user is from outside of this forum
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                                Wendizen πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦
                                wrote last edited by
                                #26

                                @m @pikesley New track: infinity ♾️

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                                • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                                  "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                                  KinguK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  Kingu
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                                  @pikesley

                                  I don't think it is "eventually"

                                  It's right now!

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                                  • KinguK Kingu

                                    @pikesley

                                    I don't think it is "eventually"

                                    It's right now!

                                    Hypolite PetovanH This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    Hypolite Petovan
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                                    #28

                                    @Kingu @pikesley This is a parody of a famous quote by Margaret Thatcher that goes "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money.".

                                    She was famously wrong, of course, and it's nice to see her nasty words pointed at LLMs instead.

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                                    • Hypolite PetovanH Hypolite Petovan

                                      @Kingu @pikesley This is a parody of a famous quote by Margaret Thatcher that goes "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money.".

                                      She was famously wrong, of course, and it's nice to see her nasty words pointed at LLMs instead.

                                      KinguK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      Kingu
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                                      @hypolite @pikesley

                                      With LLM, it's true πŸ™‚

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