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"The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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  • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

    "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

    FediThing :progress_pride:F This user is from outside of this forum
    FediThing :progress_pride:F This user is from outside of this forum
    FediThing :progress_pride:
    wrote last edited by
    #7

    @pikesley

    Using LLMs is the intellectual equivalent of sawing the branch you're sitting on.

    Quincy ⁂Q AgarwaënA 2 Replies Last reply
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    • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

      "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

      The TurtleT This user is from outside of this forum
      The TurtleT This user is from outside of this forum
      The Turtle
      wrote last edited by
      #8

      @pikesley they can start eating each other, then! Cool!

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      • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

        "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

        kosureK This user is from outside of this forum
        kosureK This user is from outside of this forum
        kosure
        wrote last edited by
        #9

        @pikesley To paraphrase an old dead ghoul. "There is no such thing as copyright." /s

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        • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

          "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

          contrasocialC This user is from outside of this forum
          contrasocialC This user is from outside of this forum
          contrasocial
          wrote last edited by
          #10

          @pikesley

          Which is why they still beg for work from actual human artists and shame them for trying to protect their work, they need fresh data constantly or their machines start to get inbred.

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          • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

            "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

            Magneto was rightP This user is from outside of this forum
            Magneto was rightP This user is from outside of this forum
            Magneto was right
            wrote last edited by
            #11

            This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me 👌

            Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)M Cesare PautassoP Magneto was rightP Wendizen 🇺🇦W 4 Replies Last reply
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            • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

              "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

              N This user is from outside of this forum
              N This user is from outside of this forum
              NeoAurum
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              #12

              @pikesley well said

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              • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me 👌

                Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)M This user is from outside of this forum
                Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)M This user is from outside of this forum
                Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)
                wrote last edited by
                #13

                @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

                Neo EhproqueE Wendizen 🇺🇦W 2 Replies Last reply
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                • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                  "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                  Gemma ⭐️🔰🇺🇸 🇵🇭 🎐G This user is from outside of this forum
                  Gemma ⭐️🔰🇺🇸 🇵🇭 🎐G This user is from outside of this forum
                  Gemma ⭐️🔰🇺🇸 🇵🇭 🎐
                  wrote last edited by
                  #14

                  @pikesley That was sublime. Thank you for that inversion of neoliberalism.

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                  • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                    "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                    @iveylineI This user is from outside of this forum
                    @iveylineI This user is from outside of this forum
                    @iveyline
                    wrote last edited by
                    #15

                    @pikesley Exactly? And then they may begin to make up their own "work" and that's potentially very dangerous to the human race.

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                    • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                      "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                      Rafael Pérez ❄️R This user is from outside of this forum
                      Rafael Pérez ❄️R This user is from outside of this forum
                      Rafael Pérez ❄️
                      wrote last edited by
                      #16

                      @pikesley

                      The fact that one could substitute the acronym "LLM" with the word "artist" without the quote losing sense, is eeryly suggestive.

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                      • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                        "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                        Allan Svelmøe HansenS This user is from outside of this forum
                        Allan Svelmøe HansenS This user is from outside of this forum
                        Allan Svelmøe Hansen
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                        #17

                        @pikesley and would "we" even be able to know the difference. Slop looks like slop.

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                        • FediThing :progress_pride:F FediThing :progress_pride:

                          @pikesley

                          Using LLMs is the intellectual equivalent of sawing the branch you're sitting on.

                          Quincy ⁂Q This user is from outside of this forum
                          Quincy ⁂Q This user is from outside of this forum
                          Quincy ⁂
                          wrote last edited by
                          #18

                          @FediThing @pikesley

                          Someone should explain this to my coworkers. I tried, it's like talking against a wall.

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                          • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                            "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                            D This user is from outside of this forum
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                            David
                            wrote last edited by
                            #19

                            @pikesley see recursive pollution and model collapse. Eg https://berryvilleiml.com/2026/01/10/recursive-pollution-and-model-collapse-are-not-the-same/

                            But also see this paper arguing that collapse does not happen if you accumulate training data rather than replace old data with new data; instead, it converges towards a limited level of errors.
                            https://arxiv.org/pdf/2404.01413

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                            • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                              This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me 👌

                              Cesare PautassoP This user is from outside of this forum
                              Cesare PautassoP This user is from outside of this forum
                              Cesare Pautasso
                              wrote last edited by
                              #20

                              @pikesley yes, it's also known as the "training data harvester" dark pattern.

                              https://leanpub.com/unethical-software-engineering

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                              • FediThing :progress_pride:F FediThing :progress_pride:

                                @pikesley

                                Using LLMs is the intellectual equivalent of sawing the branch you're sitting on.

                                AgarwaënA This user is from outside of this forum
                                AgarwaënA This user is from outside of this forum
                                Agarwaën
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                                #21

                                @FediThing @pikesley I use the expression "poisoning the well of knowledge".

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                                • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                                  This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me 👌

                                  Magneto was rightP This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Magneto was rightP This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Magneto was right
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #22

                                  Attracting a lot of r/iamverysmart types who clearly do not know the context of the quote

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                                  • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                                    Attracting a lot of r/iamverysmart types who clearly do not know the context of the quote

                                    badambassadorB This user is from outside of this forum
                                    badambassadorB This user is from outside of this forum
                                    badambassador
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #23

                                    @pikesley I live in fear of the day that I miss some context, or reply to something where I didn't actually know the context and make myself look like an arse. How do these people sleep at night?!

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                                    • Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)M Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)

                                      @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

                                      Neo EhproqueE This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Neo EhproqueE This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Neo Ehproque
                                      wrote last edited by
                                      #24

                                      @m @pikesley more like *slop human centipede*

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                                      • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                                        This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me 👌

                                        Wendizen 🇺🇦W This user is from outside of this forum
                                        Wendizen 🇺🇦W This user is from outside of this forum
                                        Wendizen 🇺🇦
                                        wrote last edited by
                                        #25

                                        @pikesley AIsplaining? 😹

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                                        • Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)M Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)

                                          @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

                                          Wendizen 🇺🇦W This user is from outside of this forum
                                          Wendizen 🇺🇦W This user is from outside of this forum
                                          Wendizen 🇺🇦
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #26

                                          @m @pikesley New track: infinity ♾️

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