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"The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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  • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

    "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

    Magneto was rightP This user is from outside of this forum
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    Magneto was right
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    #11

    This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me πŸ‘Œ

    Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)M Cesare PautassoP Magneto was rightP Wendizen πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦W 4 Replies Last reply
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    • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

      "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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      NeoAurum
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      #12

      @pikesley well said

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      • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

        This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me πŸ‘Œ

        Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)M This user is from outside of this forum
        Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)M This user is from outside of this forum
        Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)
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        #13

        @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

        Neo EhproqueE Wendizen πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦W 2 Replies Last reply
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        • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

          "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

          Gemma β­οΈπŸ”°πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡­ 🎐G This user is from outside of this forum
          Gemma β­οΈπŸ”°πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡­ 🎐G This user is from outside of this forum
          Gemma β­οΈπŸ”°πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡Έ πŸ‡΅πŸ‡­ 🎐
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          #14

          @pikesley That was sublime. Thank you for that inversion of neoliberalism.

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          • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

            "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

            @iveylineI This user is from outside of this forum
            @iveylineI This user is from outside of this forum
            @iveyline
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            #15

            @pikesley Exactly? And then they may begin to make up their own "work" and that's potentially very dangerous to the human race.

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            • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

              "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

              Rafael PΓ©rez ❄️R This user is from outside of this forum
              Rafael PΓ©rez ❄️R This user is from outside of this forum
              Rafael PΓ©rez ❄️
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              #16

              @pikesley

              The fact that one could substitute the acronym "LLM" with the word "artist" without the quote losing sense, is eeryly suggestive.

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              • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                Allan SvelmΓΈe HansenS This user is from outside of this forum
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                Allan SvelmΓΈe Hansen
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                #17

                @pikesley and would "we" even be able to know the difference. Slop looks like slop.

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                • FediThing :progress_pride:F FediThing :progress_pride:

                  @pikesley

                  Using LLMs is the intellectual equivalent of sawing the branch you're sitting on.

                  Quincy ⁂Q This user is from outside of this forum
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                  Quincy ⁂
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                  #18

                  @FediThing @pikesley

                  Someone should explain this to my coworkers. I tried, it's like talking against a wall.

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                  • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                    "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

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                    David
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                    #19

                    @pikesley see recursive pollution and model collapse. Eg https://berryvilleiml.com/2026/01/10/recursive-pollution-and-model-collapse-are-not-the-same/

                    But also see this paper arguing that collapse does not happen if you accumulate training data rather than replace old data with new data; instead, it converges towards a limited level of errors.
                    https://arxiv.org/pdf/2404.01413

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                    • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                      This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me πŸ‘Œ

                      Cesare PautassoP This user is from outside of this forum
                      Cesare PautassoP This user is from outside of this forum
                      Cesare Pautasso
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                      #20

                      @pikesley yes, it's also known as the "training data harvester" dark pattern.

                      https://leanpub.com/unethical-software-engineering

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                      • FediThing :progress_pride:F FediThing :progress_pride:

                        @pikesley

                        Using LLMs is the intellectual equivalent of sawing the branch you're sitting on.

                        AgarwaΓ«nA This user is from outside of this forum
                        AgarwaΓ«nA This user is from outside of this forum
                        AgarwaΓ«n
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                        #21

                        @FediThing @pikesley I use the expression "poisoning the well of knowledge".

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                        • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                          This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me πŸ‘Œ

                          Magneto was rightP This user is from outside of this forum
                          Magneto was rightP This user is from outside of this forum
                          Magneto was right
                          wrote last edited by
                          #22

                          Attracting a lot of r/iamverysmart types who clearly do not know the context of the quote

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                          • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                            Attracting a lot of r/iamverysmart types who clearly do not know the context of the quote

                            badambassadorB This user is from outside of this forum
                            badambassadorB This user is from outside of this forum
                            badambassador
                            wrote last edited by
                            #23

                            @pikesley I live in fear of the day that I miss some context, or reply to something where I didn't actually know the context and make myself look like an arse. How do these people sleep at night?!

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                            • Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)M Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)

                              @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

                              Neo EhproqueE This user is from outside of this forum
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                              Neo Ehproque
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                              @m @pikesley more like *slop human centipede*

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                              • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                                This has breached containment spectacularly and I'm now having it explained back to me πŸ‘Œ

                                Wendizen πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦W This user is from outside of this forum
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                                Wendizen πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦
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                                #25

                                @pikesley AIsplaining? 😹

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                                • Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)M Martin Hamilton (39C3 rehab)

                                  @pikesley [John Peel voice]: Coming up, it's Slop Ouroboros playing live in the studio. You won't find their new EP The RAM Wafers Are All Mine in shops anywhere...

                                  Wendizen πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦W This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Wendizen πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦W This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Wendizen πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦
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                                  #26

                                  @m @pikesley New track: infinity ♾️

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                                  • Magneto was rightP Magneto was right

                                    "The problem with LLMs is that you eventually run out of other people's work to steal"

                                    KinguK This user is from outside of this forum
                                    KinguK This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Kingu
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                                    @pikesley

                                    I don't think it is "eventually"

                                    It's right now!

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                                    • KinguK Kingu

                                      @pikesley

                                      I don't think it is "eventually"

                                      It's right now!

                                      Hypolite PetovanH This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Hypolite PetovanH This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Hypolite Petovan
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                                      @Kingu @pikesley This is a parody of a famous quote by Margaret Thatcher that goes "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money.".

                                      She was famously wrong, of course, and it's nice to see her nasty words pointed at LLMs instead.

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                                      • Hypolite PetovanH Hypolite Petovan

                                        @Kingu @pikesley This is a parody of a famous quote by Margaret Thatcher that goes "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money.".

                                        She was famously wrong, of course, and it's nice to see her nasty words pointed at LLMs instead.

                                        KinguK This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        Kingu
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                                        @hypolite @pikesley

                                        With LLM, it's true πŸ™‚

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