People, with #Greenland raising awareness of our massive 24/7 dependence on US clouds for vital services, I made a list of what (government) stuff would break here under US sanctions.

MFierst

@bert_hubert
Hoe is het ondertussen met de belastingdienst?

Zash

@bert_hubert My municipality is all in on Microsoft all the things and just concluded a Copilot trial, send help!

Lennart[dect:6825]

@bert_hubert Same here in germany. Our state would just collapse.

OTOH, we also have soo much outdated on-prem stuff, we might just be fine ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯

bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦

@lenni yes this is our only hope

Michel :debian: :runbsd: :vim:

@bert_hubert all Brazilian federal government runs on either Microsoft, AWS or Google. We're fucked

Ernst de Moor

@bert_hubert I sincerely hope that these using American clouds at least have local backups of all data, so they can set up european services lateron (after the fact).

Mensch, Marina

@bert_hubert good idea and not just digital services. My guess is also Pharma, drugs, medical supplies, like stents and such!

Innocuous In Innisfil 🇨🇦

@bert_hubert

I wonder what a Canadian list would look like...

#DigitalSovereignty #MastoCanadaGOV

RantingCanuck

@paulbusch @bert_hubert

I'll start with 3 off the top of my head:

- Our health care information systems in Alberta (and probably other provinces) are dependant upon Oracle and Epic Systems
- Every single level of government and most of our private sector are dependant upon Microsoft Windows and Office
- Most levels of government use AWS, which already leaves our data vulnerable to the Cloud Act

🌈 Kerblambuli 🦄

@energisch_ @bert_hubert yes, for instance there are international, US based pharma groups delivering vital HIV medication (as in treatment for HIV positive as well as preventative drugs for HIV negative people) to the world.

If these would be to retreat from European markets it could cripple TasP and prevention efforts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AbbVie

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_Myers_Squibb

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnson_%26_Johnson

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilead_Sciences

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merck_%26_Co.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viatris

#actupagain #aids #hiv

Mensch, Marina

@ChrisUplus exactly - and that's just one example. EU should buy some surplus NOW @EUCommission
#drugs #medicine #instruments #USproducts
@bert_hubert

Marcus

@bert_hubert
WRT Canada's reliance on American companies (AWS, Google, Cloudflare, etc) for online government services ️

It's depressing. Not going to bother with an analysis; is screwed

I recommend we find a way to collaborate with EU efforts to build online infrastructure independent of American control.

OpWereld

@mfierst En de SVB? @bert_hubert

🌈 Kerblambuli 🦄

@energisch_ I've not the slightest idea whether it's even possible to buy enough in advance to provide currently treated and any surplus which may come on top after diagnosis. Especially in light of rising infection rates globally due to war and other socioeconomic factors. What's definitely at risk are treatment options. One does not tolerate each available regimen and some got resistant virus in their DNA, so already have limited options. Need production long term.

@EUCommission @bert_hubert

Mensch, Marina

@ChrisUplus so the best would be to buy licences and produce it here in EU @EUCommission @bert_hubert

WesDym

@bert_hubert It's complicated. Those are all non-govt assets, meaning the US govt would have to somehow persuade those companies to comply, which might be difficult. That said, it's just prudent for countries to divest from US dependence if they can, to the extent they can. Nearly all these services are mostly just server farms, which anyone of means can build. In the short term, it might require temporarily repurposing existing domestic resources while new ones are built.

Andy Wootton

@bert_hubert Risk-adverse Europeans are already cutting ties with US tech. It has the added advantage of punishing the worst tech-bros for financially supporting Trump's fascists who are feeding on the souls of Republicans. [Edited when I realised the Republican Party never had a soul.]

Elischeva

@bert_hubert

Who what the fuck, would be Able to Work if Microsoft or Google cut service. They are almost everywhere. It is extremely rare to find someone not dependent on them.

MFierst

@OpWereld @bert_hubert
De SVB wordt genoemd. Zie laatste bullit onder 'Overheid'

bert hubert 🇺🇦🇪🇺🇺🇦

@mfierst @OpWereld het is een beetje lastig dat ze zeggen "onze website klopte niet". Moeilijk om discussie mee te hebben.