Matrix: Constant technical difficulties, probably 80% of the troubleshooting of all the services I tried was for Matrix and I couldn't even really figure out why it wasn't working in the end.

@kkarhan Self-hosting would not be a good fit for my usecase, and IRC doesn't have message history, which makes it entirely useless. Any that don't run into those issues?

@november well, #Zulip & #RocketChat are self-hosting capable and open-source.

• I prefer the former over latter as I've setup it on multiple occasions. But UX is similar.

• Same goes for #JitsiMeet over #Mumble.

@kkarhan I'm specifically trying to *avoid* self-hosting

@november you could get those as "managed hosting" options.

RE: https://chaosfem.tw/@november/116048880519245946

@kkarhan Still wouldn't be what I'd want, see this post. It'd need to be something owned and operated by some other entity that can take on the legal responsibility

@november sorry, but if you want to shed any liability, then not even Microsoft Teams will offer you that!

@kkarhan I mean I will make a reasonable effort to keep minors away, I just don't want the responsibility for what exactly counts as a reasonable effort in a legal sense to lie squarely on my shoulders. I just want a service someone else is hosting

@kkarhan Also I don't want the technical complications of self-hosting, either

@november then consider managed hosting which you can aldo get from Zulip (or whatever hoster of your choice offers that to you)...

@kkarhan Again, I don't want self-hosting or managed hosting, I want a service someone else is running that I can just join. If there's nothing that fits that, just stop making recommedations

@kkarhan@infosec.space @november@chaosfem.tw I ran RocketChat in our last company for little while, as well as MatterMost. It's only partially open-source, and is really designed for small companies, so it's more org focused then user based.