If Alice makes a followers-only post, and Bob replies to it, to whom should Bob's reply be visible?
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@ori so as the conversation continues, fewer and fewer people can see what's being said?
Yes. Either you do that or you ignore someone's privacy settings.
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@ori *or* you give Bob an option to reply to Alice's followers.
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@ori *or* you give Bob an option to reply to Alice's followers.
Yes. That's equivalent to Alice setting their post followers only, and Bob setting their post public, but less confusing to the user.
(Edit: realized you hadn't said what Bob's visibility was set to. Anyway: UI quibbles aside, the answer is that you intersect the people who are able to view)
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Yes. That's equivalent to Alice setting their post followers only, and Bob setting their post public, but less confusing to the user.
(Edit: realized you hadn't said what Bob's visibility was set to. Anyway: UI quibbles aside, the answer is that you intersect the people who are able to view)I don't think it breaks expectations.
It's also the way most social networks work. If the OP posts privately, all the comments and replies to comments are visible to *all* the OP's followers.
This is how Facebook, Instagram, and X all work.
They let you have private conversations with people that matter to you. It's one of the best parts of those platforms.
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I don't think it breaks expectations.
It's also the way most social networks work. If the OP posts privately, all the comments and replies to comments are visible to *all* the OP's followers.
This is how Facebook, Instagram, and X all work.
They let you have private conversations with people that matter to you. It's one of the best parts of those platforms.
Well, you asked what expectations were, and I told you. They're not what you seem to be proposing. Not sure what else to say.
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@evan what I'd prefer to make are mutuals-only posts
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Well, you asked what expectations were, and I told you. They're not what you seem to be proposing. Not sure what else to say.
@ori cool, thanks for your input. I'm not proposing anything, I just think your expectations are really bad for conversations.
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@ori cool, thanks for your input. I'm not proposing anything, I just think your expectations are really bad for conversations.
I would be very surprised if I posted a followers -only note that a non-follower could see.
If I posted a globally visible note in response to a followers-only note, and only the people who could see the original note could see my response, it would make sense to me.
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@evan I voted “Alice’s followers”, but if Bob marks their reply followers-only, it should be only the intersection of Alice and Bob’s followers.
@dougwade so, in a long conversation, the set of people who can read it gets smaller and smaller?
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@dougwade so, in a long conversation, the set of people who can read it gets smaller and smaller?
@evan I think so. I think in an ideal world, I would prefer an audience that expands, but in the real world where people use followers-only to feel safe online, it is important that only followers appear downstream of a followers-only post. At least, that’s what I would expect absent some other cue.
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I would be very surprised if I posted a followers -only note that a non-follower could see.
If I posted a globally visible note in response to a followers-only note, and only the people who could see the original note could see my response, it would make sense to me.@ori I think this is where I got on the merry-go-round.
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@evan
It should be visible to the original set as Alice shared the post with her followers, not followers of followers (light blue segment of set diagram). Any of Bob’s followers that also follow Alice will see the post and replies anyway. See comments on set diagram and post about the set theory maths/model - https://mastodon.social/@dahukanna/116030140984675453@dahukanna
Oh... I need to change my answer.
Other: the dark blue-grey.
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Just visible to Alice unless she accepts the post. And she controls the visibility on her posts.
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@dahukanna
Oh... I need to change my answer.
Other: the dark blue-grey.
@evan@lazysupper @dahukanna so, in a long conversation, the number of people who can see the responses gets smaller and smaller over time?
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Just visible to Alice unless she accepts the post. And she controls the visibility on her posts.
@BuckRogers1965 have you tried the ActivityPub plugin for WordPress? This is how it works; absolutely great stuff.
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@lazysupper @dahukanna so, in a long conversation, the number of people who can see the responses gets smaller and smaller over time?
@evan
Yes. I initially thought that's a problem. But it respects the privacy wishes of the respondents. But ideally most of the conversation will occur within the overlap.If Dave knows Alice and Bob but hates Chad, he shouldn't be excluded from the conversation just because Chad's a jerk. And he shouldn't need to reveal his reponses to Chad, just because Alice and Bob tolerate Chad.
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@evan ToAlice, but visible to followers of both.
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@evan Carol and Ted clearly need to be looped in
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@maj Dawn's and my answer would be all of Alice's followers. I don't like the intersection answer, because it gets smaller and smaller over time. I think Alice's intent is to have her friends and family have a conversation, like it works on Instagram and Facebook.
