Friendly reminder that Signal—while maybe not perfect—is a much better choice for communication than RCS, especially if you are communicating anything sensitive.
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@cassidy@blaede.family @motoridersd@pug.ninja Not all RCS implementations on Android are E2EE, either. RCS encryption on Android Messages is specific to Google extensions and their own servers. Device manufacturers that don't ship Google's version of the messaging app (yet still support RCS) don't get encryption, either.
@robert @cassidy @motoridersd yep - the E2EE spec for RCS is new as of last year (despite the many years of vague claims about RCS E2EE support) and AFAICT *nothing* handles that spec yet: https://www.gsma.com/solutions-and-impact/technologies/networks/gsma_resources/gsma-rcs-universal-profile-3-0-specifications/
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Friendly reminder that Signal—while maybe not perfect—is a much better choice for communication than RCS, especially if you are communicating anything sensitive. Doubly true if you are on iOS or communicating with anyone who is, as Apple still does not even use end-to-end encryption like Google does on Android.
Apple users using the Messages app defaults to iMessage with other iPhone users, which is end-to-end encrypted.
Signal is still much better than iMessage tho, so your point stands.
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@Heliograph I'm well aware of and active on Matrix. I also would not recommend it over Signal for general individual/local community communications at this point as the complexity and learning curve are much, much higher.
@cassidy @Heliograph why? What do you see as difficult about using Element X?
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Friendly reminder that Signal—while maybe not perfect—is a much better choice for communication than RCS, especially if you are communicating anything sensitive. Doubly true if you are on iOS or communicating with anyone who is, as Apple still does not even use end-to-end encryption like Google does on Android.
@cassidy instead of Signal, #DeltaChat is a much better alternative, super easy to use while decentralized, without requiring phone numbers or any private data at all, with good multi-device and multi-profile support (you can have as many profiles as you want without needing extra SIM cards, this makes it good for the kids of the family as well!)
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Friendly reminder that Signal—while maybe not perfect—is a much better choice for communication than RCS, especially if you are communicating anything sensitive. Doubly true if you are on iOS or communicating with anyone who is, as Apple still does not even use end-to-end encryption like Google does on Android.
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@Heliograph @cassidy matrix is filled with security issue and privacy leak
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@cassidy @Heliograph why? What do you see as difficult about using Element X?
@apex @cassidy @Heliograph the issue of matrix is all the design flaw that nullify the "privacy" or "security" like the group not encrypted for instance.
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@MisuseCase @cassidy remember that certain countries (*cough* UK *cough*) don't permit Advanced Data Protection, so that's not an option for everyone, depending who you might be sending information to.
@craignicol @cassidy I know. For that and other reasons, Signal is more dependable. Although I do like that Apple couldn’t give my iCloud data to the feds even if it wanted to.
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@lexinova @cassidy @delta
And if you still want try Signal but your phone is too old, you can use Molly.
Molly is available on Fdroid after you added the repository : https://molly.imI prefer XMPP. There is plenty of clients on desktop. On smartphone you can use Conversation or Cheogram, available on Fdroid.
Fdroid? https://fdroid.org with many good FOSS app
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@lexinova @cassidy @delta
And if you still want try Signal but your phone is too old, you can use Molly.
Molly is available on Fdroid after you added the repository : https://molly.imI prefer XMPP. There is plenty of clients on desktop. On smartphone you can use Conversation or Cheogram, available on Fdroid.
Fdroid? https://fdroid.org with many good FOSS app
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Friendly reminder that Signal—while maybe not perfect—is a much better choice for communication than RCS, especially if you are communicating anything sensitive. Doubly true if you are on iOS or communicating with anyone who is, as Apple still does not even use end-to-end encryption like Google does on Android.
@cassidy There is a lot of dangerous advice here for the assumed target audience. I'd recommend reading https://soatok.blog/2024/07/31/what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-signal-competitor/ for those barging in with messenger recommendations.
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@ShiroBloo @cassidy @delta don't really care about "it's difficult", i will not recommend something that i don't trust myself
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Friendly reminder that Signal—while maybe not perfect—is a much better choice for communication than RCS, especially if you are communicating anything sensitive. Doubly true if you are on iOS or communicating with anyone who is, as Apple still does not even use end-to-end encryption like Google does on Android.
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@lexinova @cassidy @delta +1 for #Deltachat
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@robert @cassidy @motoridersd yep - the E2EE spec for RCS is new as of last year (despite the many years of vague claims about RCS E2EE support) and AFAICT *nothing* handles that spec yet: https://www.gsma.com/solutions-and-impact/technologies/networks/gsma_resources/gsma-rcs-universal-profile-3-0-specifications/
@groxx @robert @cassidy @motoridersd Zut alors
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@apex @cassidy @Heliograph the issue of matrix is all the design flaw that nullify the "privacy" or "security" like the group not encrypted for instance.
@lexinova @cassidy @Heliograph I've just checked and in Element X, the E2EE is enabled by default in rooms.
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@lexinova @cassidy @delta another vote for http://get.delta.chat
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Friendly reminder that Signal—while maybe not perfect—is a much better choice for communication than RCS, especially if you are communicating anything sensitive. Doubly true if you are on iOS or communicating with anyone who is, as Apple still does not even use end-to-end encryption like Google does on Android.
@cassidy i too struggle to understand why people recommend Signal from Mountain View, CA in the context of European digital sovereignty. That won't help stimulate a European digital marketplace of excellent services under our own jurisdiction and tax code.
It seems to be an amazing app, so it's not an issue of whether you like it. It's still US software.
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@ShiroBloo @cassidy @delta don't really care about "it's difficult", i will not recommend something that i don't trust myself
@lexinova @ShiroBloo @cassidy @delta It's just that I tried using Matrix, and this is not something I see being mass adopted, wheareas Signal could easily replace WhatsApp.
