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Please do not waste your time listening to, reading, or analyzing what Tom Homan actually said this morning.

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  • Ulrich_the_Elder, 🇨🇦,🇺🇦U Ulrich_the_Elder, 🇨🇦,🇺🇦

    @Npars01 They should be given a choice. Hand over your money or into the wood chipper. If you don't cause trouble you can go in head first.

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    @Ulrich_the_elder

    The Moneyed don't fear death.

    They fear losing power, status, wealth, & control.

    They fear the loss of being able impose misery, suffering, famine, desperation & poverty in others.

    For the Epstein Class, it's entertainment for them.

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    • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

      From where I sit, I don’t think it’s a trap. It’s been clear for a while that they’re digging themselves deeper in a hole the longer they keep doing what they’ve been doing, and that they’re going to need to declare “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED” so they can switch to some different awful thing.

      However, this is very much a “don’t let your guard down” moment. They’re gearing up for some different horrible thing. They’re not disappearing.

      https://nrw.social/@elala/116058473879752331

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      @inthehands I admire your optimism and take here. I agree that they're in the consolidation phase. I think they also used this exercise to evaluate response and how the courts, etc. would react to future power-grabs. I look for a big ICE build-up and strikes in the ~six weeks before the midterms to try to destabilize the election and consolidate power.

      I think y'all have set a great example for the rest of the country. I wish I could buy you all a beer and hug all the people who have done the needful and displayed the kind of bravery that the U.S. used to be famous for.

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      • Aaron Sawdey, Ph.D.A Aaron Sawdey, Ph.D.

        @firefly @inthehands Fortunately they are completely unable to do anything in a stealthy way ...

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        @acsawdey @firefly @inthehands It'd be a lot harder if we had a fully functioning free press, but Trump's billionaire buddies have been shutting that down too. (To be fair, this started even before Trump, but has accelerated...)

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        • Nicole ParsonsN Nicole Parsons

          @Ulrich_the_elder

          The Moneyed don't fear death.

          They fear losing power, status, wealth, & control.

          They fear the loss of being able impose misery, suffering, famine, desperation & poverty in others.

          For the Epstein Class, it's entertainment for them.

          Kinene⭐🐻C This user is from outside of this forum
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          Kinene⭐🐻
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          @Ulrich_the_elder @Npars01 So, send them out to work as farm labor? As janitors?

          (I am not in any way demeaning farm labor or janitors. I have profound respect for the people who pick our food and those who keep things clean.

          But having the wealthy and powerful serving time while wearing overalls and harvesting lettuce, or mopping floors seems like appropriate punishment. Imagine the Epstein Class, Bondi, JD and Miller out in a field, in dirt... being overseen by members of the UFW. 😁)

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          • AnnieBuddyA AnnieBuddy

            @inthehands

            This is not a retreat, it is a regrouping.

            So glad to see that you know this.

            We can not let our guard down. Not now, not for the next 80 years.

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            Gerrit 🇪🇺🌍🍉🔻
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            @AnnieBuddy @inthehands

            What hurt them, was the fascist spectacle that they made of themselves for all the world to see.

            At the same time they are still rushing to build mega concentration camps. And they talk nice because they preferably need the signature of some Democrats under the DHS appropriations, to make the medicine go down a little smoother.

            But noone in the USA should relax. Yes, hopefully the people in MN can relax a little, but the job of getting the MAGAts out is not done.

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            • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

              Please do not waste your time listening to, reading, or analyzing what Tom Homan actually said this morning. That man is full of shit, everything that comes out of his mouth is shit, and you don’t need to eat it.

              I hope ICE and CBP actually leave soon. I’ll believe it when they do. They’re still out there right now. They’re still horrible. They’re still destroying lives •this morning•.

              https://minnesotareformer.com/2026/02/12/border-czar-tom-homan-announces-end-to-operation-metro-surge-claiming-success/

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              @inthehands

              Brilliant thread again. Thank you.

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              • "Mediocre Bunny" EvelynG "Mediocre Bunny" Evelyn

                @retech @inthehands
                With respect, if "standing in the streets did nothing to hurt them;" they wouldn't be killing people for doing that.

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                @retech @Gorfram @inthehands standing in the streets is the most effective civil disobedience people can do tbh, combined with striking, woof sheesh.

                unless you want to have a hot civil war, being the streets and fucking up government function and commerce is, historically, the number one thing for a civilian population to do to succeed without war. but hey, who knows, maybe ignoring history and "quitting facebook" will actually be the ticket somehow.

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                • Nullstring 🏴‍☠️0 Nullstring 🏴‍☠️

                  @retech @Gorfram @inthehands standing in the streets is the most effective civil disobedience people can do tbh, combined with striking, woof sheesh.

                  unless you want to have a hot civil war, being the streets and fucking up government function and commerce is, historically, the number one thing for a civilian population to do to succeed without war. but hey, who knows, maybe ignoring history and "quitting facebook" will actually be the ticket somehow.

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                  @retech @Gorfram @inthehands but also, can't ignore that they are following their word to a tee so far, so, at some point you're going to have to dearrest people if you ever want to see them again and then deal with the consequences of that. better to rattle the keys to power by grinding their machine to halt before it reaches that point.

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                  • Nullstring 🏴‍☠️0 Nullstring 🏴‍☠️

                    @retech @Gorfram @inthehands but also, can't ignore that they are following their word to a tee so far, so, at some point you're going to have to dearrest people if you ever want to see them again and then deal with the consequences of that. better to rattle the keys to power by grinding their machine to halt before it reaches that point.

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                    @inthehands @retech @Gorfram quitting a website has never toppled a regime, but occupying the streets and striking has multiple times, just saying... basic pragmatism disagrees with you.

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                      @retech @inthehands @Gorfram okay, and you come on back to me when convincing boomers to quit facebook somehow topples a regime which has already seized control of the government 😂 you can tell me about it in the cattle car

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                      • Nullstring 🏴‍☠️0 Nullstring 🏴‍☠️

                        @retech @inthehands @Gorfram okay, and you come on back to me when convincing boomers to quit facebook somehow topples a regime which has already seized control of the government 😂 you can tell me about it in the cattle car

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                        @retech @inthehands @Gorfram like were on fuckin fedi websites right now and youre yelling at us to quit facebook instead of doing civil disobedience lmao

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                        • Nullstring 🏴‍☠️0 Nullstring 🏴‍☠️

                          @retech @inthehands @Gorfram like were on fuckin fedi websites right now and youre yelling at us to quit facebook instead of doing civil disobedience lmao

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                          @retech @inthehands @Gorfram wrong room, baby

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                          • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                            Please do not waste your time listening to, reading, or analyzing what Tom Homan actually said this morning. That man is full of shit, everything that comes out of his mouth is shit, and you don’t need to eat it.

                            I hope ICE and CBP actually leave soon. I’ll believe it when they do. They’re still out there right now. They’re still horrible. They’re still destroying lives •this morning•.

                            https://minnesotareformer.com/2026/02/12/border-czar-tom-homan-announces-end-to-operation-metro-surge-claiming-success/

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                            @inthehands

                            Agreed that we cannot let up our vigilance.

                            However, I would assume they are going to another city to do the next iteration. There was LA. Then there was Chicago. Then there was MSP.

                            They don't have enough agents to attack multiple cities, but they are refining their methods. Like the Borg, they learn from their encounters with the us. I can only hope that other cities can learn from what was done here (I am SO proud of MSP!) and they can defend themselves as well.

                            Meanwhile, we still need to shut DHS down. To quote MN Senator Tina Smith: "We need to rip ICE down to the studs and start over." https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/29/opinion/ice-trump-good-pretti.html

                            #AbolishICE #PunishICE

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                            • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                              Please do not waste your time listening to, reading, or analyzing what Tom Homan actually said this morning. That man is full of shit, everything that comes out of his mouth is shit, and you don’t need to eat it.

                              I hope ICE and CBP actually leave soon. I’ll believe it when they do. They’re still out there right now. They’re still horrible. They’re still destroying lives •this morning•.

                              https://minnesotareformer.com/2026/02/12/border-czar-tom-homan-announces-end-to-operation-metro-surge-claiming-success/

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                              @inthehands

                              That is very, very, very bad advice. Ignoring him won't solve the problem. It will only make things worse. Don't believe him verbatum. But *do* parse his speech thoroughly. Read between the lines. It is *vital* that we gather every scrap of intelligence that we can. Ignorance can get you killed. Or worse.

                              “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.” -- Sun Tzu, *The Art of War *

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                                @feznander @inthehands

                                The smarter, more stable ones with the long-term agenda will happily let the noisy gung-ho over the top fascists lead that charge break a bunch of shit and burn out-- they'll toss them under the bus to make it look like we had a win and things can get back to "normal", back to our previously scheduled and still steadily escalating police brutality and oppression.

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                                • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                                  If I’m guessing, I expect them to go hard on strategies that are much less visible: snatching people from jails instead of streets, mass detention camps that nobody can see inside, that sort of thing. They need to sustain the terror, but they can’t afford to keep looking so bad in videos while they do it.

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                                  Update from later in the day in MSP:

                                  I’ve heard or uttered variations on the phrase “I’ll believe it when I see it” in numerous conversations through out the day. That seems to be the prevailing sentiment. People are willing to be hopeful, but nobody’s counting their chickens just yet.

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                                    Update from later in the day in MSP:

                                    I’ve heard or uttered variations on the phrase “I’ll believe it when I see it” in numerous conversations through out the day. That seems to be the prevailing sentiment. People are willing to be hopeful, but nobody’s counting their chickens just yet.

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                                    In the meantime, please note carefully the rhetorical deception Republicans are playing in the Senate:

                                    They are whining that Democrats are holding up funding for the whole DHS because “they’re angry about this incident” (meaning the murders of Renee Good and Alex Pretti) but “There are thousands of arrests that are happening every day that are happening by the book” (i.e. without a murder).

                                    Deception: because the objection isn’t just the two murders; it’s the utterly reckless, unconstitutional, authoritarian behavior of ICE that Good and Pretti were protesting when ICE murdered them.

                                    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/12/dhs-funding-blocked-senate-democrats

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                                    • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                                      In the meantime, please note carefully the rhetorical deception Republicans are playing in the Senate:

                                      They are whining that Democrats are holding up funding for the whole DHS because “they’re angry about this incident” (meaning the murders of Renee Good and Alex Pretti) but “There are thousands of arrests that are happening every day that are happening by the book” (i.e. without a murder).

                                      Deception: because the objection isn’t just the two murders; it’s the utterly reckless, unconstitutional, authoritarian behavior of ICE that Good and Pretti were protesting when ICE murdered them.

                                      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/12/dhs-funding-blocked-senate-democrats

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                                      More here:

                                      https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/115991716008786969

                                      My request today from Minneapolis to the world, and especially the rest of the USA, is to keep the facts in that linked thread clear, and keep the pressure up on •all• the Senators accordingly.

                                      The problem is not just that ICE murdered two people. The murders (it was more than two) are the tip of a horrible iceberg.

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                                        In the meantime, please note carefully the rhetorical deception Republicans are playing in the Senate:

                                        They are whining that Democrats are holding up funding for the whole DHS because “they’re angry about this incident” (meaning the murders of Renee Good and Alex Pretti) but “There are thousands of arrests that are happening every day that are happening by the book” (i.e. without a murder).

                                        Deception: because the objection isn’t just the two murders; it’s the utterly reckless, unconstitutional, authoritarian behavior of ICE that Good and Pretti were protesting when ICE murdered them.

                                        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/12/dhs-funding-blocked-senate-democrats

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                                        @inthehands Yeah, I mean, I am angry about those two incidents also - but, none of these arrests should be happening in the first place. Neither Pretti nor Good would have been in a position for those 'incidents'(murders) to even happen if there wasn't *already* a problem for them to be protesting and documenting.

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                                        • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                                          In the meantime, please note carefully the rhetorical deception Republicans are playing in the Senate:

                                          They are whining that Democrats are holding up funding for the whole DHS because “they’re angry about this incident” (meaning the murders of Renee Good and Alex Pretti) but “There are thousands of arrests that are happening every day that are happening by the book” (i.e. without a murder).

                                          Deception: because the objection isn’t just the two murders; it’s the utterly reckless, unconstitutional, authoritarian behavior of ICE that Good and Pretti were protesting when ICE murdered them.

                                          https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/feb/12/dhs-funding-blocked-senate-democrats

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                                          @inthehands

                                          Also 2 completely separate incidents (if you ignore another dozen or so incidents) point to something deeper even if they weren't also violating people's rights in a bunch of other ways.

                                          Even in their dismissal they still have to acknowledge a large enough fuck up (2 unprovoked murders within a month caught on camera) to justify scrapping the whole agency

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