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  • Miguel ArrozA Miguel Arroz

    RE: https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/116030136026775832

    This is one of the worst takes from LLM enthusiasts.

    Compilers are deterministic, extremely well tested, made out of incredibly detailed specifications debated for months and properly formalized.

    LLMs are random content generators with a whole lot of automatically trained heuristics. They can produce literally anything. Not a single person who built them can predict what the output will be for a given input.

    Comparing both is a display of ignorance and dishonesty.

    gokD This user is from outside of this forum
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    @arroz @stroughtonsmith what compiler are you talking about?

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    • Miguel ArrozA Miguel Arroz

      RE: https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/116030136026775832

      This is one of the worst takes from LLM enthusiasts.

      Compilers are deterministic, extremely well tested, made out of incredibly detailed specifications debated for months and properly formalized.

      LLMs are random content generators with a whole lot of automatically trained heuristics. They can produce literally anything. Not a single person who built them can predict what the output will be for a given input.

      Comparing both is a display of ignorance and dishonesty.

      Geoff WozniakG This user is from outside of this forum
      Geoff WozniakG This user is from outside of this forum
      Geoff Wozniak
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      #10

      @arroz That take is another case of only considering the result, not why the result exists.

      Also, I guess he's fine with outsourcing his "compiling" to a third party to which he has absolutely no control over.

      Vibecoders are only interested in production. They don't care how they get there.

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      • Geoff WozniakG Geoff Wozniak

        @arroz That take is another case of only considering the result, not why the result exists.

        Also, I guess he's fine with outsourcing his "compiling" to a third party to which he has absolutely no control over.

        Vibecoders are only interested in production. They don't care how they get there.

        Geoff WozniakG This user is from outside of this forum
        Geoff WozniakG This user is from outside of this forum
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        #11

        @arroz Much like crypto pushers, vibecoders think that trust is a bad thing.

        Short term gain makes for long term pain. But hey, at least we provided a lot of shareholder value for a while, amirite?

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        • Miguel ArrozA Miguel Arroz

          RE: https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/116030136026775832

          This is one of the worst takes from LLM enthusiasts.

          Compilers are deterministic, extremely well tested, made out of incredibly detailed specifications debated for months and properly formalized.

          LLMs are random content generators with a whole lot of automatically trained heuristics. They can produce literally anything. Not a single person who built them can predict what the output will be for a given input.

          Comparing both is a display of ignorance and dishonesty.

          Pedro FernandesP This user is from outside of this forum
          Pedro FernandesP This user is from outside of this forum
          Pedro Fernandes
          wrote last edited by
          #12

          @arroz bingo

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          • Miguel ArrozA Miguel Arroz

            RE: https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/116030136026775832

            This is one of the worst takes from LLM enthusiasts.

            Compilers are deterministic, extremely well tested, made out of incredibly detailed specifications debated for months and properly formalized.

            LLMs are random content generators with a whole lot of automatically trained heuristics. They can produce literally anything. Not a single person who built them can predict what the output will be for a given input.

            Comparing both is a display of ignorance and dishonesty.

            Sharp Cheddar GoblinS This user is from outside of this forum
            Sharp Cheddar GoblinS This user is from outside of this forum
            Sharp Cheddar Goblin
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            @arroz For fuck's sake these boosters are insufferable. Steve is an absolute tool.

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            • Miguel ArrozA Miguel Arroz

              RE: https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/116030136026775832

              This is one of the worst takes from LLM enthusiasts.

              Compilers are deterministic, extremely well tested, made out of incredibly detailed specifications debated for months and properly formalized.

              LLMs are random content generators with a whole lot of automatically trained heuristics. They can produce literally anything. Not a single person who built them can predict what the output will be for a given input.

              Comparing both is a display of ignorance and dishonesty.

              kasia :blobcat2: N This user is from outside of this forum
              kasia :blobcat2: N This user is from outside of this forum
              kasia :blobcat2:
              wrote last edited by
              #14
              @arroz Most compilers aren't exactly deterministic by default (and fixing that is the goal of projects like Reproducible Builds), but they're still more predictable than any slop generator you'll ever come across
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              • GrahamG Graham

                @arroz @stroughtonsmith Yeah not sure what’s so difficult to understand about this. 🤷‍♂️

                Sharp Cheddar GoblinS This user is from outside of this forum
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                @ghalldev @arroz @stroughtonsmith Ignorance, or willful ignorance? Either describes every LLM cultist.

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                • Miguel ArrozA Miguel Arroz

                  RE: https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/116030136026775832

                  This is one of the worst takes from LLM enthusiasts.

                  Compilers are deterministic, extremely well tested, made out of incredibly detailed specifications debated for months and properly formalized.

                  LLMs are random content generators with a whole lot of automatically trained heuristics. They can produce literally anything. Not a single person who built them can predict what the output will be for a given input.

                  Comparing both is a display of ignorance and dishonesty.

                  [object Object]Z This user is from outside of this forum
                  [object Object]Z This user is from outside of this forum
                  [object Object]
                  wrote last edited by
                  #16

                  @arroz it’s always a bit depressing when I find out about a new pocket of mediocre tech jackasses posting twitter crap on masto. all of the guys posting “LLMs are like compilers for natural language” should have their CS degrees yanked cause they’ve proven they don’t meet the academic requirements for a CS undergrad.

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                  • Miguel ArrozA Miguel Arroz

                    RE: https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/116030136026775832

                    This is one of the worst takes from LLM enthusiasts.

                    Compilers are deterministic, extremely well tested, made out of incredibly detailed specifications debated for months and properly formalized.

                    LLMs are random content generators with a whole lot of automatically trained heuristics. They can produce literally anything. Not a single person who built them can predict what the output will be for a given input.

                    Comparing both is a display of ignorance and dishonesty.

                    David GerardD This user is from outside of this forum
                    David GerardD This user is from outside of this forum
                    David Gerard
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                    #17

                    @arroz it's like watching bitcoiners talk about how they think money works

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                    • [object Object]Z [object Object]

                      @arroz it’s always a bit depressing when I find out about a new pocket of mediocre tech jackasses posting twitter crap on masto. all of the guys posting “LLMs are like compilers for natural language” should have their CS degrees yanked cause they’ve proven they don’t meet the academic requirements for a CS undergrad.

                      [object Object]Z This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @arroz “LLMs are natural language compilers”, brought to you by the same kids insisting their product is “the operating system for the web” because nothing means anything if you ignore all implementation and engineering details

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                      • [object Object]Z [object Object]

                        @arroz “LLMs are natural language compilers”, brought to you by the same kids insisting their product is “the operating system for the web” because nothing means anything if you ignore all implementation and engineering details

                        Amber :neodog_box:P This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @zzt@mas.to @arroz@mastodon.social Ah because if it's one thing compilers are known for it's being non-deterministic 😭

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                        • PositivDenken 🤯Z PositivDenken 🤯

                          @arroz @dmitriid now that eating out of dumpsters exists, no one ever‘s gonna want to prepare a proper meal anymore!

                          George BG This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @arroz @dmitriid @zeank

                          Have you seen https://www.colincornaby.me/2025/08/in-the-future-all-food-will-be-cooked-in-a-microwave-and-if-you-cant-deal-with-that-then-you-need-to-get-out-of-the-kitchen/

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                          • Miguel ArrozA Miguel Arroz

                            RE: https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/116030136026775832

                            This is one of the worst takes from LLM enthusiasts.

                            Compilers are deterministic, extremely well tested, made out of incredibly detailed specifications debated for months and properly formalized.

                            LLMs are random content generators with a whole lot of automatically trained heuristics. They can produce literally anything. Not a single person who built them can predict what the output will be for a given input.

                            Comparing both is a display of ignorance and dishonesty.

                            Cap E BaraC This user is from outside of this forum
                            Cap E BaraC This user is from outside of this forum
                            Cap E Bara
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                            @arroz @stroughtonsmith that take you reposted is hella embarassing. thanks for pointing out another slop enthusiast to mute!

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                            • Miguel ArrozA Miguel Arroz

                              RE: https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/116030136026775832

                              This is one of the worst takes from LLM enthusiasts.

                              Compilers are deterministic, extremely well tested, made out of incredibly detailed specifications debated for months and properly formalized.

                              LLMs are random content generators with a whole lot of automatically trained heuristics. They can produce literally anything. Not a single person who built them can predict what the output will be for a given input.

                              Comparing both is a display of ignorance and dishonesty.

                              Duke of Germany 💫D This user is from outside of this forum
                              Duke of Germany 💫D This user is from outside of this forum
                              Duke of Germany 💫
                              wrote last edited by
                              #22

                              What I see a lot in these AI guy circles is this kind of "magical thinking" about how things work.

                              And these (confidently expressed) naive takes are not only about LLMs, but also about countless other well-documented, well-researched topics like compilers.

                              Who are these guys?

                              @arroz

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                              • Miguel ArrozA Miguel Arroz

                                RE: https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/116030136026775832

                                This is one of the worst takes from LLM enthusiasts.

                                Compilers are deterministic, extremely well tested, made out of incredibly detailed specifications debated for months and properly formalized.

                                LLMs are random content generators with a whole lot of automatically trained heuristics. They can produce literally anything. Not a single person who built them can predict what the output will be for a given input.

                                Comparing both is a display of ignorance and dishonesty.

                                LobsterL This user is from outside of this forum
                                LobsterL This user is from outside of this forum
                                Lobster
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                                #23

                                @arroz To be honest, the whole take of the original post reads like slop. LLMs tend to conflate different concepts with each other and if you have no idea what you’re talking about, it will sound very convincing.

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                                • Geoff WozniakG Geoff Wozniak

                                  @arroz That take is another case of only considering the result, not why the result exists.

                                  Also, I guess he's fine with outsourcing his "compiling" to a third party to which he has absolutely no control over.

                                  Vibecoders are only interested in production. They don't care how they get there.

                                  Jim JonesG This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Jim JonesG This user is from outside of this forum
                                  Jim Jones
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #24

                                  @GeoffWozniak @arroz

                                  Looks like CWE's are back on the menu!

                                  https://blog.vidocsecurity.com/blog/vibe-coding-security-vulnerabilities

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                                  • [object Object]Z [object Object]

                                    @arroz it’s always a bit depressing when I find out about a new pocket of mediocre tech jackasses posting twitter crap on masto. all of the guys posting “LLMs are like compilers for natural language” should have their CS degrees yanked cause they’ve proven they don’t meet the academic requirements for a CS undergrad.

                                    Orb 2069O This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    Orb 2069
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                                    @zzt @arroz

                                    Imagine if CS was like ANY other engineering discipline.

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                                    • Orb 2069O Orb 2069

                                      @zzt @arroz

                                      Imagine if CS was like ANY other engineering discipline.

                                      Preston Maness ☭A This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @Orb2069 @zzt @arroz I find that exercise preferable to imagining other engineering disciplines becoming more like CS.

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                                      • Preston Maness ☭A Preston Maness ☭

                                        @Orb2069 @zzt @arroz I find that exercise preferable to imagining other engineering disciplines becoming more like CS.

                                        Orb 2069O This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        @aspensmonster @zzt @arroz

                                        Vibe coded skyscrapers.

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                                        • Miguel ArrozA Miguel Arroz

                                          RE: https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/116030136026775832

                                          This is one of the worst takes from LLM enthusiasts.

                                          Compilers are deterministic, extremely well tested, made out of incredibly detailed specifications debated for months and properly formalized.

                                          LLMs are random content generators with a whole lot of automatically trained heuristics. They can produce literally anything. Not a single person who built them can predict what the output will be for a given input.

                                          Comparing both is a display of ignorance and dishonesty.

                                          Joel VanderWerfJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #28

                                          @arroz How does he think source-level debuggers will work under that analogy?

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