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This is one of the worst takes from LLM enthusiasts.

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  • GrahamG Graham

    @arroz @stroughtonsmith Yeah not sure what’s so difficult to understand about this. 🤷‍♂️

    Sharp Cheddar GoblinS This user is from outside of this forum
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    #15

    @ghalldev @arroz @stroughtonsmith Ignorance, or willful ignorance? Either describes every LLM cultist.

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    • Miguel ArrozA Miguel Arroz

      RE: https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/116030136026775832

      This is one of the worst takes from LLM enthusiasts.

      Compilers are deterministic, extremely well tested, made out of incredibly detailed specifications debated for months and properly formalized.

      LLMs are random content generators with a whole lot of automatically trained heuristics. They can produce literally anything. Not a single person who built them can predict what the output will be for a given input.

      Comparing both is a display of ignorance and dishonesty.

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      @arroz it’s always a bit depressing when I find out about a new pocket of mediocre tech jackasses posting twitter crap on masto. all of the guys posting “LLMs are like compilers for natural language” should have their CS degrees yanked cause they’ve proven they don’t meet the academic requirements for a CS undergrad.

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      • Miguel ArrozA Miguel Arroz

        RE: https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/116030136026775832

        This is one of the worst takes from LLM enthusiasts.

        Compilers are deterministic, extremely well tested, made out of incredibly detailed specifications debated for months and properly formalized.

        LLMs are random content generators with a whole lot of automatically trained heuristics. They can produce literally anything. Not a single person who built them can predict what the output will be for a given input.

        Comparing both is a display of ignorance and dishonesty.

        David GerardD This user is from outside of this forum
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        #17

        @arroz it's like watching bitcoiners talk about how they think money works

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        • [object Object]Z [object Object]

          @arroz it’s always a bit depressing when I find out about a new pocket of mediocre tech jackasses posting twitter crap on masto. all of the guys posting “LLMs are like compilers for natural language” should have their CS degrees yanked cause they’ve proven they don’t meet the academic requirements for a CS undergrad.

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          #18

          @arroz “LLMs are natural language compilers”, brought to you by the same kids insisting their product is “the operating system for the web” because nothing means anything if you ignore all implementation and engineering details

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          • [object Object]Z [object Object]

            @arroz “LLMs are natural language compilers”, brought to you by the same kids insisting their product is “the operating system for the web” because nothing means anything if you ignore all implementation and engineering details

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            @zzt@mas.to @arroz@mastodon.social Ah because if it's one thing compilers are known for it's being non-deterministic 😭

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            • PositivDenken 🤯Z PositivDenken 🤯

              @arroz @dmitriid now that eating out of dumpsters exists, no one ever‘s gonna want to prepare a proper meal anymore!

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              #20

              @arroz @dmitriid @zeank

              Have you seen https://www.colincornaby.me/2025/08/in-the-future-all-food-will-be-cooked-in-a-microwave-and-if-you-cant-deal-with-that-then-you-need-to-get-out-of-the-kitchen/

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              • Miguel ArrozA Miguel Arroz

                RE: https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/116030136026775832

                This is one of the worst takes from LLM enthusiasts.

                Compilers are deterministic, extremely well tested, made out of incredibly detailed specifications debated for months and properly formalized.

                LLMs are random content generators with a whole lot of automatically trained heuristics. They can produce literally anything. Not a single person who built them can predict what the output will be for a given input.

                Comparing both is a display of ignorance and dishonesty.

                Cap E BaraC This user is from outside of this forum
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                #21

                @arroz @stroughtonsmith that take you reposted is hella embarassing. thanks for pointing out another slop enthusiast to mute!

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                • Miguel ArrozA Miguel Arroz

                  RE: https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/116030136026775832

                  This is one of the worst takes from LLM enthusiasts.

                  Compilers are deterministic, extremely well tested, made out of incredibly detailed specifications debated for months and properly formalized.

                  LLMs are random content generators with a whole lot of automatically trained heuristics. They can produce literally anything. Not a single person who built them can predict what the output will be for a given input.

                  Comparing both is a display of ignorance and dishonesty.

                  Duke of Germany 💫D This user is from outside of this forum
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                  Duke of Germany 💫
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                  #22

                  What I see a lot in these AI guy circles is this kind of "magical thinking" about how things work.

                  And these (confidently expressed) naive takes are not only about LLMs, but also about countless other well-documented, well-researched topics like compilers.

                  Who are these guys?

                  @arroz

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                  • Miguel ArrozA Miguel Arroz

                    RE: https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/116030136026775832

                    This is one of the worst takes from LLM enthusiasts.

                    Compilers are deterministic, extremely well tested, made out of incredibly detailed specifications debated for months and properly formalized.

                    LLMs are random content generators with a whole lot of automatically trained heuristics. They can produce literally anything. Not a single person who built them can predict what the output will be for a given input.

                    Comparing both is a display of ignorance and dishonesty.

                    LobsterL This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #23

                    @arroz To be honest, the whole take of the original post reads like slop. LLMs tend to conflate different concepts with each other and if you have no idea what you’re talking about, it will sound very convincing.

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                    • Geoff WozniakG Geoff Wozniak

                      @arroz That take is another case of only considering the result, not why the result exists.

                      Also, I guess he's fine with outsourcing his "compiling" to a third party to which he has absolutely no control over.

                      Vibecoders are only interested in production. They don't care how they get there.

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                      #24

                      @GeoffWozniak @arroz

                      Looks like CWE's are back on the menu!

                      https://blog.vidocsecurity.com/blog/vibe-coding-security-vulnerabilities

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                      • [object Object]Z [object Object]

                        @arroz it’s always a bit depressing when I find out about a new pocket of mediocre tech jackasses posting twitter crap on masto. all of the guys posting “LLMs are like compilers for natural language” should have their CS degrees yanked cause they’ve proven they don’t meet the academic requirements for a CS undergrad.

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                        #25

                        @zzt @arroz

                        Imagine if CS was like ANY other engineering discipline.

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                        • Orb 2069O Orb 2069

                          @zzt @arroz

                          Imagine if CS was like ANY other engineering discipline.

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                          @Orb2069 @zzt @arroz I find that exercise preferable to imagining other engineering disciplines becoming more like CS.

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                          • Preston Maness ☭A Preston Maness ☭

                            @Orb2069 @zzt @arroz I find that exercise preferable to imagining other engineering disciplines becoming more like CS.

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                            @aspensmonster @zzt @arroz

                            Vibe coded skyscrapers.

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                            • Miguel ArrozA Miguel Arroz

                              RE: https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/116030136026775832

                              This is one of the worst takes from LLM enthusiasts.

                              Compilers are deterministic, extremely well tested, made out of incredibly detailed specifications debated for months and properly formalized.

                              LLMs are random content generators with a whole lot of automatically trained heuristics. They can produce literally anything. Not a single person who built them can predict what the output will be for a given input.

                              Comparing both is a display of ignorance and dishonesty.

                              Joel VanderWerfJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #28

                              @arroz How does he think source-level debuggers will work under that analogy?

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                              • Miguel ArrozA Miguel Arroz

                                RE: https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/116030136026775832

                                This is one of the worst takes from LLM enthusiasts.

                                Compilers are deterministic, extremely well tested, made out of incredibly detailed specifications debated for months and properly formalized.

                                LLMs are random content generators with a whole lot of automatically trained heuristics. They can produce literally anything. Not a single person who built them can predict what the output will be for a given input.

                                Comparing both is a display of ignorance and dishonesty.

                                mwolakM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #29

                                @arroz I know who *will* be manually reviewing the generated code: the people in the black hats.

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                                • [object Object]Z [object Object]

                                  @arroz “LLMs are natural language compilers”, brought to you by the same kids insisting their product is “the operating system for the web” because nothing means anything if you ignore all implementation and engineering details

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                                  @zzt@mas.to @arroz@mastodon.social https://buc.ci/abucci/p/1769891986.847341
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                                  • Orb 2069O Orb 2069

                                    @aspensmonster @zzt @arroz

                                    Vibe coded skyscrapers.

                                    LeszekM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #31

                                    @Orb2069 @aspensmonster @zzt @arroz There was a preview of that. Search the history of highrises in UK, especially the ones built in the 1960s and 1970s.
                                    You can save so much on tall buildings by not building 2 stories of cellars those silly continental architects added to the design. Or you can just copy paste a building on top of itself to double the number of livable floors from 6 to 12, right?

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                                    • [object Object]Z [object Object]

                                      @arroz it’s always a bit depressing when I find out about a new pocket of mediocre tech jackasses posting twitter crap on masto. all of the guys posting “LLMs are like compilers for natural language” should have their CS degrees yanked cause they’ve proven they don’t meet the academic requirements for a CS undergrad.

                                      Darby LinesA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @zzt @arroz The sheer volume of developers that I have lost respect for in the last two years is just staggering.

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                                      • Darby LinesA Darby Lines

                                        @zzt @arroz The sheer volume of developers that I have lost respect for in the last two years is just staggering.

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                                        @angry_drunk @zzt @arroz I despise all of my coworkers and the company I work for. I'm just going to retire early when I'm finally let go due to slopcoding and then work on limiting my life's contact with software, since it's all going to be buggy and insecure garbage. I guess I'll be a hermit and write a manifesto.

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                                        • Miguel ArrozA Miguel Arroz

                                          RE: https://mastodon.social/@stroughtonsmith/116030136026775832

                                          This is one of the worst takes from LLM enthusiasts.

                                          Compilers are deterministic, extremely well tested, made out of incredibly detailed specifications debated for months and properly formalized.

                                          LLMs are random content generators with a whole lot of automatically trained heuristics. They can produce literally anything. Not a single person who built them can predict what the output will be for a given input.

                                          Comparing both is a display of ignorance and dishonesty.

                                          Very Human RobotS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #34

                                          @arroz

                                          The trick is to get the LLM to generate a spec and an acceptance test for the change you want to make, and verify the test.

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