Tesla convicted 18 times and ordered to pay thousands for failing to help UK police with investigations
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Tesla convicted 18 times and ordered to pay thousands for failing to help UK police with investigations
In each case, when British police officers tried to track down the details of speeding Tesla drivers, their letters went unanswered and the forces ended up prosecuting the company itself
https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/tesla-elon-musk-car-convicted-5HjdR8N_2/
@cstross I could absolutely see this as an excellent argument for speeding fines as a percentage-of-assets thing rather than a fixed cost thing. That might possibly get their attention a little sooner.
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@cstross oh okay, fine, I thought it was more a telemetry kind of thing. It makes total sense with cars that are actually leased. My fault.
@mstrife @cstross Still not fine, IMHO.
Better would be for police actually to pull cars over if they're speeding so dangerously so that (1) there's no question who was driving, and (2) people accused of an offense could actually face their accuser, as one should have the right to do in a liberal democracy.
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@AndrewBC Elon probably came up with the name and the icon on two different ketamine benders.
I mean, if they wanted to be truly edgy, they'd give it a skull icon and call it FAFO.
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@mstrife @cstross Still not fine, IMHO.
Better would be for police actually to pull cars over if they're speeding so dangerously so that (1) there's no question who was driving, and (2) people accused of an offense could actually face their accuser, as one should have the right to do in a liberal democracy.
@SteveFoerster @mstrife @cstross wouldn't that mean the effective end of speed cameras and average speed cameras?
The one example in the article where it's clear what happened, it's a speed camera, and I'm guessing all the other Tesla cases involve speed cameras.
It would also mean the same for enforcement of decriminalised offences such as parking violations - the parking attendant would have to catch **you** for the violation, not only ticket the car!
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@SteveFoerster @mstrife @cstross wouldn't that mean the effective end of speed cameras and average speed cameras?
The one example in the article where it's clear what happened, it's a speed camera, and I'm guessing all the other Tesla cases involve speed cameras.
It would also mean the same for enforcement of decriminalised offences such as parking violations - the parking attendant would have to catch **you** for the violation, not only ticket the car!
@jbenjamint @mstrife @cstross Yes, it would mean that, and good riddance. We live in too much of a surveillance society as it is. If someone is a genuine danger to others, they will come to the attention of competent law enforcement.
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@jbenjamint @mstrife @cstross Yes, it would mean that, and good riddance. We live in too much of a surveillance society as it is. If someone is a genuine danger to others, they will come to the attention of competent law enforcement.
@SteveFoerster @jbenjamint @mstrife This is the UK, where austerity cuts have pared police traffic patrols to the non-existent bone. There *is* no competent law enforcement, just cameras.
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@SteveFoerster @jbenjamint @mstrife This is the UK, where austerity cuts have pared police traffic patrols to the non-existent bone. There *is* no competent law enforcement, just cameras.
@cstross @jbenjamint @mstrife Doing the wrong thing because of having done the wrong thing doesn't make it the right thing.
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Tesla convicted 18 times and ordered to pay thousands for failing to help UK police with investigations
In each case, when British police officers tried to track down the details of speeding Tesla drivers, their letters went unanswered and the forces ended up prosecuting the company itself
https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/tesla-elon-musk-car-convicted-5HjdR8N_2/
We all know they have that information and they have telemetry down to the microsecond
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@cstross @jaark @coral Yes, that's what I'm getting at
I thought vehicle registration papers named the keeper - so the owner, or the lessee - rather than strictly the owner. It's weird that Tesla would need to divulge the vehicles' keepers rather than that being declared at the point of "sale"; I didn't think that was legally allowed. -
@cstross I could absolutely see this as an excellent argument for speeding fines as a percentage-of-assets thing rather than a fixed cost thing. That might possibly get their attention a little sooner.
@wordshaper @cstross for more egregious violations (90-100 mph+ on motorway or 50 mph+ in built up areas) they are already are proportional to income, albeit with a cap of £1500 on local roads and £2500 on motorways. Still a large chunk out of anyone but the richest person's income..
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@cstross @jaark @coral Yes, that's what I'm getting at
I thought vehicle registration papers named the keeper - so the owner, or the lessee - rather than strictly the owner. It's weird that Tesla would need to divulge the vehicles' keepers rather than that being declared at the point of "sale"; I didn't think that was legally allowed. -
@wordshaper @cstross for more egregious violations (90-100 mph+ on motorway or 50 mph+ in built up areas) they are already are proportional to income, albeit with a cap of £1500 on local roads and £2500 on motorways. Still a large chunk out of anyone but the richest person's income..
@vfrmedia @wordshaper Pshaw! The heaviest motoring fine I've heard of was in Finland where some techbro-investor-class dude was speeding so egregiously he got dinged for roughly 40,000 euros.
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@vfrmedia @wordshaper Pshaw! The heaviest motoring fine I've heard of was in Finland where some techbro-investor-class dude was speeding so egregiously he got dinged for roughly 40,000 euros.
@cstross @wordshaper yes, Finland does not have the maximum income cap. Interestingly ISTR he simply paid the fine, and didn't even whine about traffic laws or his freedom being restricted like folk in UK tend to do..
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@cstross @wordshaper yes, Finland does not have the maximum income cap. Interestingly ISTR he simply paid the fine, and didn't even whine about traffic laws or his freedom being restricted like folk in UK tend to do..
@vfrmedia @cstross Percentage of income with a cap is eh. Percentage of income *without* a cap is better. Percentage of gross income, or possibly assets, without a cap is best.
Tesla not going to respond to these things? 0.5% of gross assets or gross revenue per incident seems likely to make them take at least some notice.
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@vfrmedia @wordshaper Pshaw! The heaviest motoring fine I've heard of was in Finland where some techbro-investor-class dude was speeding so egregiously he got dinged for roughly 40,000 euros.
@cstross @vfrmedia @wordshaper even tho we have multiple 100+KEUR fines here in .fi, seems like .ch still takes the cake with a 1.1 MEUR one.
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@cstross Ah, that makes sense - rentals or loans rather than leases. I was imagining they were pretending that they were fleet cars or something. Thanks for clarifying that.
