Tesla convicted 18 times and ordered to pay thousands for failing to help UK police with investigations

Nicovel0 🍉

@mathew move fast and break things, literally

Quinn Norton

@cstross 100% getting ignored by musk with zero consequences.

doomy 🦀

@cstross wow might be the only tesla W i've ever seen, acab.

Andi H

@cstross
That's an interesting USP

AndrewBC

@mathew @angusm @cstross why does mad max have a cowboy hat and mustache?!?

Dan Sugalski

@cstross I could absolutely see this as an excellent argument for speeding fines as a percentage-of-assets thing rather than a fixed cost thing. That might possibly get their attention a little sooner.

Steve Foerster 🌐

@mstrife @cstross Still not fine, IMHO.

Better would be for police actually to pull cars over if they're speeding so dangerously so that (1) there's no question who was driving, and (2) people accused of an offense could actually face their accuser, as one should have the right to do in a liberal democracy.

E. C. Bigribs

@AndrewBC Elon probably came up with the name and the icon on two different ketamine benders.

I mean, if they wanted to be truly edgy, they'd give it a skull icon and call it FAFO.

@mathew @angusm @cstross

Sablebadger

@eedly @AndrewBC @mathew @angusm @cstross Elon is the kind of loser who watches all the good movies, and reads the cool books, and entirely and completely misses the message.

He see the Mad Max as a blueprint, not a cautionary tale. He's probably got Immortan Joe cosplay in his closet.

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@SteveFoerster @mstrife @cstross wouldn't that mean the effective end of speed cameras and average speed cameras?

The one example in the article where it's clear what happened, it's a speed camera, and I'm guessing all the other Tesla cases involve speed cameras.

It would also mean the same for enforcement of decriminalised offences such as parking violations - the parking attendant would have to catch **you** for the violation, not only ticket the car!

Steve Foerster 🌐

@jbenjamint @mstrife @cstross Yes, it would mean that, and good riddance. We live in too much of a surveillance society as it is. If someone is a genuine danger to others, they will come to the attention of competent law enforcement.

Charlie Stross

@SteveFoerster @jbenjamint @mstrife This is the UK, where austerity cuts have pared police traffic patrols to the non-existent bone. There *is* no competent law enforcement, just cameras.

Steve Foerster 🌐

@cstross @jbenjamint @mstrife Doing the wrong thing because of having done the wrong thing doesn't make it the right thing.

GhostOnTheHalfShell

@cstross

We all know they have that information and they have telemetry down to the microsecond

Brad Macpherson

@jaark @coral @cstross I thought it was "registered keeper", rather than necessarily the owner?

Charlie Stross

@brad @jaark @coral Yes, but the "registered keeper" is *usually* the owner, or a proxy for them.

Brad Macpherson

@cstross @jaark @coral Yes, that's what I'm getting at I thought vehicle registration papers named the keeper - so the owner, or the lessee - rather than strictly the owner. It's weird that Tesla would need to divulge the vehicles' keepers rather than that being declared at the point of "sale"; I didn't think that was legally allowed.

Alex@rtnVFRmedia Suffolk UK

@wordshaper @cstross for more egregious violations (90-100 mph+ on motorway or 50 mph+ in built up areas) they are already are proportional to income, albeit with a cap of £1500 on local roads and £2500 on motorways. Still a large chunk out of anyone but the richest person's income..

Charlie Stross

@brad @jaark @coral These were leasing cars owned by Tesla. They were either loaners for test drives, or Tesla was renting them out.

Charlie Stross

@vfrmedia @wordshaper Pshaw! The heaviest motoring fine I've heard of was in Finland where some techbro-investor-class dude was speeding so egregiously he got dinged for roughly 40,000 euros.