Tesla convicted 18 times and ordered to pay thousands for failing to help UK police with investigations
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good point, thanks!
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@dymaxion Thousands for *each* offense, by the look of it. Which means Tesla losing money every time due to not having a legally compliant system.
@cstross
28k total, though? Like, still. I mean, if there's someone who genuinely values the regulatory relationship it'll get fixed, but this isn't enough money for anyone to actually notice otherwise. Given how much everything is on fire there now, I doubt they'll do anything. -
@cstross TIL the registered keeper for a car under a hire-purchase agreement is the finance provider.
also "80mph on the M4 near to the village of Groes-faen in Wales" is a pretty tortured way to imply but not say "80mph in a village" journalism is dead
@coral @cstross "pretty tortured way"
No it isn't. For it to be 'in a village', the M4 would have to go through Groes-faen. It doesn't, it merely passes near it, and therefore the stated location is fine
It is also almost certainly what was stated on the police paperwork. IME motorway police give the name of the nearest community when ticketing motorists, so even when the offense wasn't committed within the place, the place will be specified
I'm very glad the journalists aren't clueless
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@angusm @cstross « Tesla has brought back its ‘Mad Max’ mode for its ‘Full Self-Driving (Supervised) that ignores speed limits… »
https://electrek.co/2025/10/16/tesla-mad-max-full-self-driving-mode-ignores-speed-limits/
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@angusm @cstross « Tesla has brought back its ‘Mad Max’ mode for its ‘Full Self-Driving (Supervised) that ignores speed limits… »
https://electrek.co/2025/10/16/tesla-mad-max-full-self-driving-mode-ignores-speed-limits/
@mathew move fast and break things, literally
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Tesla convicted 18 times and ordered to pay thousands for failing to help UK police with investigations
In each case, when British police officers tried to track down the details of speeding Tesla drivers, their letters went unanswered and the forces ended up prosecuting the company itself
https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/tesla-elon-musk-car-convicted-5HjdR8N_2/
@cstross 100% getting ignored by musk with zero consequences.
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Tesla convicted 18 times and ordered to pay thousands for failing to help UK police with investigations
In each case, when British police officers tried to track down the details of speeding Tesla drivers, their letters went unanswered and the forces ended up prosecuting the company itself
https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/tesla-elon-musk-car-convicted-5HjdR8N_2/
@cstross wow might be the only tesla W i've ever seen, acab.
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Tesla convicted 18 times and ordered to pay thousands for failing to help UK police with investigations
In each case, when British police officers tried to track down the details of speeding Tesla drivers, their letters went unanswered and the forces ended up prosecuting the company itself
https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/tesla-elon-musk-car-convicted-5HjdR8N_2/
@cstross
That's an interesting USP
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@angusm @cstross « Tesla has brought back its ‘Mad Max’ mode for its ‘Full Self-Driving (Supervised) that ignores speed limits… »
https://electrek.co/2025/10/16/tesla-mad-max-full-self-driving-mode-ignores-speed-limits/
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Tesla convicted 18 times and ordered to pay thousands for failing to help UK police with investigations
In each case, when British police officers tried to track down the details of speeding Tesla drivers, their letters went unanswered and the forces ended up prosecuting the company itself
https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/tesla-elon-musk-car-convicted-5HjdR8N_2/
@cstross I could absolutely see this as an excellent argument for speeding fines as a percentage-of-assets thing rather than a fixed cost thing. That might possibly get their attention a little sooner.
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@cstross oh okay, fine, I thought it was more a telemetry kind of thing. It makes total sense with cars that are actually leased. My fault.
@mstrife @cstross Still not fine, IMHO.
Better would be for police actually to pull cars over if they're speeding so dangerously so that (1) there's no question who was driving, and (2) people accused of an offense could actually face their accuser, as one should have the right to do in a liberal democracy.
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@AndrewBC Elon probably came up with the name and the icon on two different ketamine benders.
I mean, if they wanted to be truly edgy, they'd give it a skull icon and call it FAFO.
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@mstrife @cstross Still not fine, IMHO.
Better would be for police actually to pull cars over if they're speeding so dangerously so that (1) there's no question who was driving, and (2) people accused of an offense could actually face their accuser, as one should have the right to do in a liberal democracy.
@SteveFoerster @mstrife @cstross wouldn't that mean the effective end of speed cameras and average speed cameras?
The one example in the article where it's clear what happened, it's a speed camera, and I'm guessing all the other Tesla cases involve speed cameras.
It would also mean the same for enforcement of decriminalised offences such as parking violations - the parking attendant would have to catch **you** for the violation, not only ticket the car!
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@SteveFoerster @mstrife @cstross wouldn't that mean the effective end of speed cameras and average speed cameras?
The one example in the article where it's clear what happened, it's a speed camera, and I'm guessing all the other Tesla cases involve speed cameras.
It would also mean the same for enforcement of decriminalised offences such as parking violations - the parking attendant would have to catch **you** for the violation, not only ticket the car!
@jbenjamint @mstrife @cstross Yes, it would mean that, and good riddance. We live in too much of a surveillance society as it is. If someone is a genuine danger to others, they will come to the attention of competent law enforcement.
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@jbenjamint @mstrife @cstross Yes, it would mean that, and good riddance. We live in too much of a surveillance society as it is. If someone is a genuine danger to others, they will come to the attention of competent law enforcement.
@SteveFoerster @jbenjamint @mstrife This is the UK, where austerity cuts have pared police traffic patrols to the non-existent bone. There *is* no competent law enforcement, just cameras.
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@SteveFoerster @jbenjamint @mstrife This is the UK, where austerity cuts have pared police traffic patrols to the non-existent bone. There *is* no competent law enforcement, just cameras.
@cstross @jbenjamint @mstrife Doing the wrong thing because of having done the wrong thing doesn't make it the right thing.
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Tesla convicted 18 times and ordered to pay thousands for failing to help UK police with investigations
In each case, when British police officers tried to track down the details of speeding Tesla drivers, their letters went unanswered and the forces ended up prosecuting the company itself
https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/tesla-elon-musk-car-convicted-5HjdR8N_2/
We all know they have that information and they have telemetry down to the microsecond
