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Do you know what's not accessible?

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  • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

    Do you know what's not accessible? Writing "a11y" in any article or documentation

    I will accept it as a convenience in APIs since developers are lazy and can't spell, but fuck off with using it in text

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    @jonathanhogg That and I18n can do one.

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    • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

      Do you know what's not accessible? Writing "a11y" in any article or documentation

      I will accept it as a convenience in APIs since developers are lazy and can't spell, but fuck off with using it in text

      Abhijit Menon-SenA This user is from outside of this forum
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      @jonathanhogg I agree, if it's not used appropriately, it has approximately zero acceptability.

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      • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

        Do you know what's not accessible? Writing "a11y" in any article or documentation

        I will accept it as a convenience in APIs since developers are lazy and can't spell, but fuck off with using it in text

        JamesJ This user is from outside of this forum
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        @jonathanhogg I wonder what the origin story is?
        It feels like something someone wrote in a conference talk to crack a gag about making something over-trendy and unintentionally inaccessible.
        And people used it as a joke to each other so much that the funny wore off and it accidentally got adopted.

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        • JamesJ James

          @jonathanhogg I wonder what the origin story is?
          It feels like something someone wrote in a conference talk to crack a gag about making something over-trendy and unintentionally inaccessible.
          And people used it as a joke to each other so much that the funny wore off and it accidentally got adopted.

          lpbkdotnetL This user is from outside of this forum
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          @jtruk @jonathanhogg the general form (a11y, i18n, k8s) has been around a while now.

          I think i18n came first, probably because it was easier than repeatedly having the "internationalisation vs internationalization" spelling debate...

          But I have seen it said that "k8s" was first because no one could remember how to spell (or pronounce) kubernetes?

          Either way, I absolutely hate that this has just become how the tech industry abbreviates things.

          It feels like it's on the "smug" side of clever

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          • lpbkdotnetL lpbkdotnet

            @jtruk @jonathanhogg the general form (a11y, i18n, k8s) has been around a while now.

            I think i18n came first, probably because it was easier than repeatedly having the "internationalisation vs internationalization" spelling debate...

            But I have seen it said that "k8s" was first because no one could remember how to spell (or pronounce) kubernetes?

            Either way, I absolutely hate that this has just become how the tech industry abbreviates things.

            It feels like it's on the "smug" side of clever

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            @lpbkdotnet @jtruk Wikipedia believes that i18n was coined in the 70s and is DEC's fault. Since humans read word-at-a-time by shape, I consider them all to be instances of "I am too lazy to type and therefore you will have to work harder to read"

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            • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

              @lpbkdotnet @jtruk Wikipedia believes that i18n was coined in the 70s and is DEC's fault. Since humans read word-at-a-time by shape, I consider them all to be instances of "I am too lazy to type and therefore you will have to work harder to read"

              JamesJ This user is from outside of this forum
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              @jonathanhogg @lpbkdotnet None of this excludes 'a11y' being a joke that got out of hand. I think that's a pretty strong candidate here!

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              • Prof. Catherine FlickC Prof. Catherine Flick

                @jonathanhogg yes! I keep reading it as โ€œallyโ€

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                @CatherineFlick @jonathanhogg me too! Iโ€™m glad Iโ€™m not the only one

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                • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

                  Do you know what's not accessible? Writing "a11y" in any article or documentation

                  I will accept it as a convenience in APIs since developers are lazy and can't spell, but fuck off with using it in text

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                  @jonathanhogg I also had to look this up (apart from k8s since my brother works on calico, and it actually sounds vaguely like the actual word). So yeah, and as a system architect - no developers should not be using this shorthand in API's - developers should learn to f&^king spell and express themselves clearly in code/docs/etc or have their work QA'd by people who can ๐Ÿ™‚

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                  • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

                    Do you know what's not accessible? Writing "a11y" in any article or documentation

                    I will accept it as a convenience in APIs since developers are lazy and can't spell, but fuck off with using it in text

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                    @jonathanhogg

                    A8y! I c8y a3e!

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                    • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

                      @lpbkdotnet @jtruk Wikipedia believes that i18n was coined in the 70s and is DEC's fault. Since humans read word-at-a-time by shape, I consider them all to be instances of "I am too lazy to type and therefore you will have to work harder to read"

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                      @jonathanhogg @lpbkdotnet @jtruk But it helps sometimes: try to go a interoperability meeting and you'll see why saying "i14y" is much more pratical.

                      Whatever the case, in my texts I always put an abbreviation with the expanded term right in the beginning. If it's seldom used, I only write the expanded form.

                      #writing #abbreviations

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                      • Zoe Taylor :v_trans: :v_pan: :verified420:T Zoe Taylor :v_trans: :v_pan: :verified420:

                        @CatherineFlick @jonathanhogg me too! Iโ€™m glad Iโ€™m not the only one

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                        @themediumkahuna Oh, does it not? Even knowing it references accessibility, I still assumed it was to be read as "ally."

                        I hereby declare its use even dumber than I thought.
                        @CatherineFlick @jonathanhogg

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                        • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

                          Do you know what's not accessible? Writing "a11y" in any article or documentation

                          I will accept it as a convenience in APIs since developers are lazy and can't spell, but fuck off with using it in text

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                          @jonathanhogg

                          "But it looks like ally, it's great"

                          Fuck you Jean-Eude. People should not do gatekeeping for something that important.

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                          • gnateG gnate

                            @themediumkahuna Oh, does it not? Even knowing it references accessibility, I still assumed it was to be read as "ally."

                            I hereby declare its use even dumber than I thought.
                            @CatherineFlick @jonathanhogg

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                            @themediumkahuna
                            'xsablt' would even make more sense...
                            @CatherineFlick @jonathanhogg

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                            • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

                              Do you know what's not accessible? Writing "a11y" in any article or documentation

                              I will accept it as a convenience in APIs since developers are lazy and can't spell, but fuck off with using it in text

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                              @jonathanhogg someone wrote a brilliant post about that:

                              https://chitter.xyz/@Vordus/113587948938149310

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