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Do you know what's not accessible?

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  • Jonathan HoggJ This user is from outside of this forum
    Jonathan HoggJ This user is from outside of this forum
    Jonathan Hogg
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    Do you know what's not accessible? Writing "a11y" in any article or documentation

    I will accept it as a convenience in APIs since developers are lazy and can't spell, but fuck off with using it in text

    John TG Prof. Catherine FlickC hellocatfoodH Abhijit Menon-SenA JamesJ 9 Replies Last reply
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    • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

      Do you know what's not accessible? Writing "a11y" in any article or documentation

      I will accept it as a convenience in APIs since developers are lazy and can't spell, but fuck off with using it in text

      John TG This user is from outside of this forum
      John TG This user is from outside of this forum
      John T
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      @jonathanhogg I had to look this up, which essentially confirms your point.

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      • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

        Do you know what's not accessible? Writing "a11y" in any article or documentation

        I will accept it as a convenience in APIs since developers are lazy and can't spell, but fuck off with using it in text

        Prof. Catherine FlickC This user is from outside of this forum
        Prof. Catherine FlickC This user is from outside of this forum
        Prof. Catherine Flick
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        @jonathanhogg yes! I keep reading it as “ally”

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        • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

          Do you know what's not accessible? Writing "a11y" in any article or documentation

          I will accept it as a convenience in APIs since developers are lazy and can't spell, but fuck off with using it in text

          hellocatfoodH This user is from outside of this forum
          hellocatfoodH This user is from outside of this forum
          hellocatfood
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          @jonathanhogg That and I18n can do one.

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          • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

            Do you know what's not accessible? Writing "a11y" in any article or documentation

            I will accept it as a convenience in APIs since developers are lazy and can't spell, but fuck off with using it in text

            Abhijit Menon-SenA This user is from outside of this forum
            Abhijit Menon-SenA This user is from outside of this forum
            Abhijit Menon-Sen
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            @jonathanhogg I agree, if it's not used appropriately, it has approximately zero acceptability.

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            • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

              Do you know what's not accessible? Writing "a11y" in any article or documentation

              I will accept it as a convenience in APIs since developers are lazy and can't spell, but fuck off with using it in text

              JamesJ This user is from outside of this forum
              JamesJ This user is from outside of this forum
              James
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              @jonathanhogg I wonder what the origin story is?
              It feels like something someone wrote in a conference talk to crack a gag about making something over-trendy and unintentionally inaccessible.
              And people used it as a joke to each other so much that the funny wore off and it accidentally got adopted.

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              • JamesJ James

                @jonathanhogg I wonder what the origin story is?
                It feels like something someone wrote in a conference talk to crack a gag about making something over-trendy and unintentionally inaccessible.
                And people used it as a joke to each other so much that the funny wore off and it accidentally got adopted.

                lpbkdotnetL This user is from outside of this forum
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                @jtruk @jonathanhogg the general form (a11y, i18n, k8s) has been around a while now.

                I think i18n came first, probably because it was easier than repeatedly having the "internationalisation vs internationalization" spelling debate...

                But I have seen it said that "k8s" was first because no one could remember how to spell (or pronounce) kubernetes?

                Either way, I absolutely hate that this has just become how the tech industry abbreviates things.

                It feels like it's on the "smug" side of clever

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                • lpbkdotnetL lpbkdotnet

                  @jtruk @jonathanhogg the general form (a11y, i18n, k8s) has been around a while now.

                  I think i18n came first, probably because it was easier than repeatedly having the "internationalisation vs internationalization" spelling debate...

                  But I have seen it said that "k8s" was first because no one could remember how to spell (or pronounce) kubernetes?

                  Either way, I absolutely hate that this has just become how the tech industry abbreviates things.

                  It feels like it's on the "smug" side of clever

                  Jonathan HoggJ This user is from outside of this forum
                  Jonathan HoggJ This user is from outside of this forum
                  Jonathan Hogg
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                  @lpbkdotnet @jtruk Wikipedia believes that i18n was coined in the 70s and is DEC's fault. Since humans read word-at-a-time by shape, I consider them all to be instances of "I am too lazy to type and therefore you will have to work harder to read"

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                  • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

                    @lpbkdotnet @jtruk Wikipedia believes that i18n was coined in the 70s and is DEC's fault. Since humans read word-at-a-time by shape, I consider them all to be instances of "I am too lazy to type and therefore you will have to work harder to read"

                    JamesJ This user is from outside of this forum
                    JamesJ This user is from outside of this forum
                    James
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                    @jonathanhogg @lpbkdotnet None of this excludes 'a11y' being a joke that got out of hand. I think that's a pretty strong candidate here!

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                    • Prof. Catherine FlickC Prof. Catherine Flick

                      @jonathanhogg yes! I keep reading it as “ally”

                      Zoe Taylor :v_trans: :v_pan: :verified420:T This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @CatherineFlick @jonathanhogg me too! I’m glad I’m not the only one

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                      • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

                        Do you know what's not accessible? Writing "a11y" in any article or documentation

                        I will accept it as a convenience in APIs since developers are lazy and can't spell, but fuck off with using it in text

                        1a1nC1 This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @jonathanhogg I also had to look this up (apart from k8s since my brother works on calico, and it actually sounds vaguely like the actual word). So yeah, and as a system architect - no developers should not be using this shorthand in API's - developers should learn to f&^king spell and express themselves clearly in code/docs/etc or have their work QA'd by people who can 🙂

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                        • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

                          Do you know what's not accessible? Writing "a11y" in any article or documentation

                          I will accept it as a convenience in APIs since developers are lazy and can't spell, but fuck off with using it in text

                          David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)D This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @jonathanhogg

                          A8y! I c8y a3e!

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                          • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

                            @lpbkdotnet @jtruk Wikipedia believes that i18n was coined in the 70s and is DEC's fault. Since humans read word-at-a-time by shape, I consider them all to be instances of "I am too lazy to type and therefore you will have to work harder to read"

                            Gerardo LisboaG This user is from outside of this forum
                            Gerardo LisboaG This user is from outside of this forum
                            Gerardo Lisboa
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                            @jonathanhogg @lpbkdotnet @jtruk But it helps sometimes: try to go a interoperability meeting and you'll see why saying "i14y" is much more pratical.

                            Whatever the case, in my texts I always put an abbreviation with the expanded term right in the beginning. If it's seldom used, I only write the expanded form.

                            #writing #abbreviations

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                            • Zoe Taylor :v_trans: :v_pan: :verified420:T Zoe Taylor :v_trans: :v_pan: :verified420:

                              @CatherineFlick @jonathanhogg me too! I’m glad I’m not the only one

                              gnateG This user is from outside of this forum
                              gnateG This user is from outside of this forum
                              gnate
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                              @themediumkahuna Oh, does it not? Even knowing it references accessibility, I still assumed it was to be read as "ally."

                              I hereby declare its use even dumber than I thought.
                              @CatherineFlick @jonathanhogg

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                              • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

                                Do you know what's not accessible? Writing "a11y" in any article or documentation

                                I will accept it as a convenience in APIs since developers are lazy and can't spell, but fuck off with using it in text

                                Aedius Filmania ⚙️🎮🖊️A This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @jonathanhogg

                                "But it looks like ally, it's great"

                                Fuck you Jean-Eude. People should not do gatekeeping for something that important.

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                                • gnateG gnate

                                  @themediumkahuna Oh, does it not? Even knowing it references accessibility, I still assumed it was to be read as "ally."

                                  I hereby declare its use even dumber than I thought.
                                  @CatherineFlick @jonathanhogg

                                  gnateG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @themediumkahuna
                                  'xsablt' would even make more sense...
                                  @CatherineFlick @jonathanhogg

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                                  • Jonathan HoggJ Jonathan Hogg

                                    Do you know what's not accessible? Writing "a11y" in any article or documentation

                                    I will accept it as a convenience in APIs since developers are lazy and can't spell, but fuck off with using it in text

                                    Panicz Maciej GodekP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    Panicz Maciej Godek
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                                    @jonathanhogg someone wrote a brilliant post about that:

                                    https://chitter.xyz/@Vordus/113587948938149310

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