ICE needs to be abolished, yes, and ideally its agents should be punished, but I haven't seen anyone bring up something even more important, which is the reparation of the harm done, with an emphasis on family reunification
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ICE needs to be abolished, yes, and ideally its agents should be punished, but I haven't seen anyone bring up something even more important, which is the reparation of the harm done, with an emphasis on family reunification
@julieofthespirits I agree. Obviously ICE and DHS need to be defunded, disarmed, and disbanded, but that's not nearly enough. The USA needs comprehensive immigration reform: a return to the open immigration we used to have, combined with a general amnesty for all immigration violations.
Anything less is just a continuation of the status quo.
None of this shit should have been illegal in the first place!
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ICE needs to be abolished, yes, and ideally its agents should be punished, but I haven't seen anyone bring up something even more important, which is the reparation of the harm done, with an emphasis on family reunification
Yes! One milquetoast political ask that needs to go mainstream is that every person abducted by ICE without due process (all of them) should get a fast-track to citizenship if they want it.
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@julieofthespirits ICE had better learn how to bring people back from the dead if they really want to make reparations! Lacking that, I agree: Make them bring back and unify families. And then put every ICE, DHS, and Border Patrol agents in jail - along with everyone who gave them their orders. All the way to the top.
@Quasit ICE has killed some people but far more are the people whose lives they have ruined, but there's still a chance to make things right in the future. A deportation is not death, and a lot of people are talking about them like they're dead, they're not! There's still an opportunity to do right by them!
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Yes! One milquetoast political ask that needs to go mainstream is that every person abducted by ICE without due process (all of them) should get a fast-track to citizenship if they want it.
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Yes! One milquetoast political ask that needs to go mainstream is that every person abducted by ICE without due process (all of them) should get a fast-track to citizenship if they want it.
@mlncn @julieofthespirits Assuming they aren't already a US citizen
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ICE needs to be abolished, yes, and ideally its agents should be punished, but I haven't seen anyone bring up something even more important, which is the reparation of the harm done, with an emphasis on family reunification
@julieofthespirits How about all those ICE bastards get hard labor for life, with 100% of their wages used to pay these reparations.
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And they can each have a turn operating the guillotine!@Voline Political violence doesn't magically become okay just because you're doing it
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@Quasit ICE has killed some people but far more are the people whose lives they have ruined, but there's still a chance to make things right in the future. A deportation is not death, and a lot of people are talking about them like they're dead, they're not! There's still an opportunity to do right by them!
@julieofthespirits @Quasit there are hundreds if not thousands missing, and likely many of them are dead.
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@Voline Political violence doesn't magically become okay just because you're doing it
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@Voline These bastards need to never see daylight again.
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@julieofthespirits @Quasit there are hundreds if not thousands missing, and likely many of them are dead.
https://www.democracynow.org/2025/9/25/alligator_alcatraz@noodlemaz @Quasit whatever you need to tell yourself to not fight like hell for the living I guess
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@noodlemaz @Quasit whatever you need to tell yourself to not fight like hell for the living I guess
@julieofthespirits @Quasit my point is it's far more than 9 and it's already extremely bad (and will need hugely extensive reparation if it ever comes to that, though given US history this would be surprising), not just starting to happen, and not that 'people are dead already who cares' or what you thought I was saying?
I'm not American so there's not much fighting I can do from here, but I can try to be aware and address the biases like those being raised around people only mentioning recent white victims.
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@julieofthespirits @Quasit my point is it's far more than 9 and it's already extremely bad (and will need hugely extensive reparation if it ever comes to that, though given US history this would be surprising), not just starting to happen, and not that 'people are dead already who cares' or what you thought I was saying?
I'm not American so there's not much fighting I can do from here, but I can try to be aware and address the biases like those being raised around people only mentioning recent white victims.
@noodlemaz @Quasit it's extremely irresponsible to call someone dead when they are disappeared, what you are doing is the opposite of helping
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ICE needs to be abolished, yes, and ideally its agents should be punished, but I haven't seen anyone bring up something even more important, which is the reparation of the harm done, with an emphasis on family reunification
@julieofthespirits If you haven't heard anyone bring that up, it's because you aren't listening to enough of the people out here. We want our neighbors back, and we're working for it. Some people are being released and returned--not enough, but far more than there would be if that work wasn't being done.
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@noodlemaz @Quasit it's extremely irresponsible to call someone dead when they are disappeared, what you are doing is the opposite of helping
@julieofthespirits @Quasit I didn't say they were all dead. Whatever.
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@julieofthespirits If you haven't heard anyone bring that up, it's because you aren't listening to enough of the people out here. We want our neighbors back, and we're working for it. Some people are being released and returned--not enough, but far more than there would be if that work wasn't being done.
@feznander I'm not in the US so I'm only referring to what I see on social media. I am glad people are saying it in IRL! I probably should have phrased it differently
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@julieofthespirits If you haven't heard anyone bring that up, it's because you aren't listening to enough of the people out here. We want our neighbors back, and we're working for it. Some people are being released and returned--not enough, but far more than there would be if that work wasn't being done.
@julieofthespirits If you're not hearing that being discussed enough, then find those who are working on it and boost them.
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@julieofthespirits @Quasit I didn't say they were all dead. Whatever.
@noodlemaz @Quasit no, you need to apologize for calling people dead whose whereabouts we don't know. It's extremely irresponsible, and disrespectful to the families involved
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@noodlemaz @Quasit it's extremely irresponsible to call someone dead when they are disappeared, what you are doing is the opposite of helping
@julieofthespirits @noodlemaz Excuse me, but I think you're being unnecessarily hostile to Marianne. I see no sign of the malice that you are ascribing to her.
Mastodon is more kind and tolerant than sites like Facebook and Reddit, in general. It's easy to bring old habits from those sites here. I myself make an extra effort to be understanding here, just because I'm used to fighting with people online on the old sites. At worst, I mute and move on.
I believe we're all on the same side in this conversation. Given the atrocities we're seeing every day, it's only natural to get angry. But we need to aim that anger at the fascists, not each other.
Just my two cents.
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