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  • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

    My message to Senators:

    ❝The correct amount of funding for not just ICE but the •entire Department of Homeland Security• is zero. ZERO. You heard me: the entire agency. Under current leadership, it is off the rails. It is dangerous. It it a menace.

    “More training” is a pathetic non-answer; that just means more money. These murderers are trained; they are just monsters. Don’t say “better oversight.” Don’t say “more reforms.” Pull the rug. Switch it off. • Shut • it • down • NOW •

    If you have to shut down every airport in the country because the TSA budget is in there too, then you shut down every damned airport in the country. If you have to shut down the federal government again, you shut it down. Your inaction is sleepwalking the country into civil war. SHUT. IT. DOWN.❞

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    Paco (2026: New) Hope
    wrote last edited by
    #56

    @inthehands How can these Senators sit back and watch US AID get defunded, and the FTC, and the FDA, and the CDC? Then, when people discuss defunding murderers, it’s not that easy?

    #uspol #fuckice

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    • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

      UPDATE: I am now seeing reports of Senators calling for the impeachment of Noem.

      Good. Fine. Do that. Yay. Put a head on a pike.

      My demand upthread doesn’t change. Having a different Trump appointee running ICE will not fix ICE. You can’t fix ICE. Scrap it. Abolish it. Shut it down. This deranged tyrant must not and cannot be allowed to have an unaccountable personal army.

      Still, I’m delighted that Senators are scrambling to do something. Keep up the pressure. Keep them all scared.

      Paul_IPv6P This user is from outside of this forum
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      Paul_IPv6
      wrote last edited by
      #57

      @inthehands

      right. don't replace her. prosecute, disband the whole DHS/CBP/ICE, prosecute any of them that need it too.

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      • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

        My message to Senators:

        ❝The correct amount of funding for not just ICE but the •entire Department of Homeland Security• is zero. ZERO. You heard me: the entire agency. Under current leadership, it is off the rails. It is dangerous. It it a menace.

        “More training” is a pathetic non-answer; that just means more money. These murderers are trained; they are just monsters. Don’t say “better oversight.” Don’t say “more reforms.” Pull the rug. Switch it off. • Shut • it • down • NOW •

        If you have to shut down every airport in the country because the TSA budget is in there too, then you shut down every damned airport in the country. If you have to shut down the federal government again, you shut it down. Your inaction is sleepwalking the country into civil war. SHUT. IT. DOWN.❞

        2/

        AsbestosA This user is from outside of this forum
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        Asbestos
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        #58

        @inthehands
        Department of Fatherland Security
        AKA
        Council of Ministers for the Defense of the Reich

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        • Nicole ParsonsN Nicole Parsons

          @amyshark @samiamsam @inthehands

          Republican billionaires funded a multi-front war on democracy.

          Courts. Congress. Disinformation. Sabotaging education. Book bans. Defunding higher education. Decades of Fox News blasting away into the minds of soldiers on military bases.

          An equally broad response is required to counteract it.

          A counterinsurgency needs guerilla tactics beyond simply voting.

          Get creative. A big one is collecting evidence for war crimes trials. DNA. Payroll records. ID'S.

          su_liamS This user is from outside of this forum
          su_liamS This user is from outside of this forum
          su_liam
          wrote last edited by
          #59

          @Npars01 @amyshark @samiamsam @inthehands Look at the tactics of fascists butthurt about masks. Most of those didn’t own the trucks they used to block roads and bridges. Look at the guys who occupied the Malheur facility. They were openly armed, but only one was shot and he had to repeatedly threaten to draw down on FBI before finally getting shot. I know the threshold will be nowhere near that high, but we need to start playing their game.

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          • Stephen Bannasch (316 ppm)S Stephen Bannasch (316 ppm)

            @EndicottAuthor

            Yes. And …??

            @inthehands

            EndicottRoad59E This user is from outside of this forum
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            EndicottRoad59
            wrote last edited by
            #60

            @stepheneb @inthehands And it's a campaign of retribution. MN didn't vote for DJT 3 times. Now he's taking out his revenge on them.

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            • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

              UPDATE: I am now seeing reports of Senators calling for the impeachment of Noem.

              Good. Fine. Do that. Yay. Put a head on a pike.

              My demand upthread doesn’t change. Having a different Trump appointee running ICE will not fix ICE. You can’t fix ICE. Scrap it. Abolish it. Shut it down. This deranged tyrant must not and cannot be allowed to have an unaccountable personal army.

              Still, I’m delighted that Senators are scrambling to do something. Keep up the pressure. Keep them all scared.

              libramoonL This user is from outside of this forum
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              libramoon
              wrote last edited by
              #61

              @inthehands

              What every US citizen can simply do NOW

              we #US citizens need to immediately demand
              our #Congress impeach and convict Trump asap,
              or be #primaried by those who will
              write/phone/email/scream outside their offices

              find those candidates https://www.citizensimpeachment.com/
              https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representative

              Let's do #Democracy
              Spread the word

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              • su_liamS su_liam

                @Npars01 @amyshark @samiamsam @inthehands Look at the tactics of fascists butthurt about masks. Most of those didn’t own the trucks they used to block roads and bridges. Look at the guys who occupied the Malheur facility. They were openly armed, but only one was shot and he had to repeatedly threaten to draw down on FBI before finally getting shot. I know the threshold will be nowhere near that high, but we need to start playing their game.

                Nicole ParsonsN This user is from outside of this forum
                Nicole ParsonsN This user is from outside of this forum
                Nicole Parsons
                wrote last edited by
                #62

                @su_liam @amyshark @samiamsam @inthehands

                There is no "game".

                It's a state terror campaign.

                Terror campaigns too easily evolve into decades long factional violence.

                Tit-for-tat retaliation like Ireland's "The Troubles" or the Gaza Genocide.

                They often lead to collaped states run by warlords like Lebanon.

                Not recommended. The USA is still retrievable if the overly simplistic "solutions" like civil war or factional political violence is avoided.

                Suggest cutting off the MAGA money 1st

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                • Nicole ParsonsN Nicole Parsons

                  @su_liam @amyshark @samiamsam @inthehands

                  There is no "game".

                  It's a state terror campaign.

                  Terror campaigns too easily evolve into decades long factional violence.

                  Tit-for-tat retaliation like Ireland's "The Troubles" or the Gaza Genocide.

                  They often lead to collaped states run by warlords like Lebanon.

                  Not recommended. The USA is still retrievable if the overly simplistic "solutions" like civil war or factional political violence is avoided.

                  Suggest cutting off the MAGA money 1st

                  1/

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                  Nicole Parsons
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                  Cutting off the MAGA money.

                  1. Find a supply of Rose Volland's to track it
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Valland

                  2. Gather evidence on the complicit
                  https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5705828-walz-bondi-immigration-dispute/

                  https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2026/01/23/rogan-suggests-trumps-using-ice-raids-to-distract-from-epstein-files/

                  3. A global effort to track & eliminate tax evasion
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LuxLeaks

                  https://www.icij.org/investigations/paradise-papers/

                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_Papers

                  4. Gather evidence of the lies
                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers

                  5. Get depositions & witness testimony right after each murder. Spread the word.

                  6. Get evidence
                  https://www.britannica.com/topic/IG-Farben

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                  • Nicole ParsonsN Nicole Parsons

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                    Cutting off the MAGA money.

                    1. Find a supply of Rose Volland's to track it
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Valland

                    2. Gather evidence on the complicit
                    https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/5705828-walz-bondi-immigration-dispute/

                    https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2026/01/23/rogan-suggests-trumps-using-ice-raids-to-distract-from-epstein-files/

                    3. A global effort to track & eliminate tax evasion
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LuxLeaks

                    https://www.icij.org/investigations/paradise-papers/

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_Papers

                    4. Gather evidence of the lies
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers

                    5. Get depositions & witness testimony right after each murder. Spread the word.

                    6. Get evidence
                    https://www.britannica.com/topic/IG-Farben

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                    Nicole Parsons
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                    7. Accelerate the switch to renewable energy. MAGA is funded by fossil fuel cash.

                    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/sep/05/texas-fracking-billionaire-brothers-prageru-daily-wire

                    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/tim-dunn-texas-oil-billionaire-trump-donor-1235033143/

                    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/20/us/politics/koch-network-2024-election-trump.html

                    https://www.desmog.com/2024/12/16/6-fracking-billionaires-and-climate-denial-groups-behind-trumps-cabinet/

                    8. Sanction The Moneyed dynasties behind MAGA & Project 2025

                    https://www.desmog.com/2016/01/21/beyond-koch-brothers-scaife-olin-bradley-jane-mayer-dark-money/

                    https://www.desmog.com/2024/10/25/project-2025-trump-mapped-how-6-billionaire-family-fortunes-fund-climate-denial/

                    9. Bankrupt the AI tech bros. Fast.

                    https://www.theatlantic.com/podcasts/archive/2025/09/ai-and-the-fight-between-democracy-and-autocracy/684095/

                    https://www.404media.co/ai-is-supercharging-the-war-on-libraries-education-and-human-knowledge/

                    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jul/11/elon-musk-ai-grok-nazi-meltdown

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                    • Sex Crazed SaltShaker of DeathD Sex Crazed SaltShaker of Death

                      @inthehands
                      Can the senate impeach, or does the house have to do it like with the president?

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                      Michael Busch
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                      @dsmdexter @inthehands

                      The House starts impeachments. The Senate finishes them.

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                      • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                        My message to Senators:

                        ❝The correct amount of funding for not just ICE but the •entire Department of Homeland Security• is zero. ZERO. You heard me: the entire agency. Under current leadership, it is off the rails. It is dangerous. It it a menace.

                        “More training” is a pathetic non-answer; that just means more money. These murderers are trained; they are just monsters. Don’t say “better oversight.” Don’t say “more reforms.” Pull the rug. Switch it off. • Shut • it • down • NOW •

                        If you have to shut down every airport in the country because the TSA budget is in there too, then you shut down every damned airport in the country. If you have to shut down the federal government again, you shut it down. Your inaction is sleepwalking the country into civil war. SHUT. IT. DOWN.❞

                        2/

                        David Mitchell :CApride:D This user is from outside of this forum
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                        David Mitchell :CApride:
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                        @inthehands

                        I remember thinking, when it was established, that it’s only oppressive authoritarian countries that find a use for a Department of Homeland Security.

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                        • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                          UPDATE: I am now seeing reports of Senators calling for the impeachment of Noem.

                          Good. Fine. Do that. Yay. Put a head on a pike.

                          My demand upthread doesn’t change. Having a different Trump appointee running ICE will not fix ICE. You can’t fix ICE. Scrap it. Abolish it. Shut it down. This deranged tyrant must not and cannot be allowed to have an unaccountable personal army.

                          Still, I’m delighted that Senators are scrambling to do something. Keep up the pressure. Keep them all scared.

                          Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊T This user is from outside of this forum
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                          Jennifer Kayla | Theogrin 🦊
                          wrote last edited by
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                          @inthehands

                          I want ICE disbanded immediately and payroll rescinded. These are folks who joined the Nazis with both eyes open. They should not be paid for their part in joining an operation for murdering citizens. They don't get that $50k. They don't get whatever they were set to. If the Trump administration can cancel payroll for however many people at the say of DOGE, this should be juuust fine.

                          I really want them locked up in freezing concrete bunkers with no toiletries, clothes or food for weeks, but our system still believes in humane treatment for mass murderers.

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                          • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                            UPDATE: I am now seeing reports of Senators calling for the impeachment of Noem.

                            Good. Fine. Do that. Yay. Put a head on a pike.

                            My demand upthread doesn’t change. Having a different Trump appointee running ICE will not fix ICE. You can’t fix ICE. Scrap it. Abolish it. Shut it down. This deranged tyrant must not and cannot be allowed to have an unaccountable personal army.

                            Still, I’m delighted that Senators are scrambling to do something. Keep up the pressure. Keep them all scared.

                            JohnJ This user is from outside of this forum
                            JohnJ This user is from outside of this forum
                            John
                            wrote last edited by
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                            @inthehands

                            A little problem we face this year is that many of those Dem politicians are not scared of you because they have the whole thing stitched up.

                            I don't mean electoral fraud; just run of the mill political kettling where you have to choose between full-on evil and demure evil. No other choices, welcome to democracy!

                            I don't have a solution to this problem, but the problem is as much the Democratic party as it is MAGA, as these "centrists" incomprehensible position illustrates.

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                            • JohnJ John

                              @inthehands

                              A little problem we face this year is that many of those Dem politicians are not scared of you because they have the whole thing stitched up.

                              I don't mean electoral fraud; just run of the mill political kettling where you have to choose between full-on evil and demure evil. No other choices, welcome to democracy!

                              I don't have a solution to this problem, but the problem is as much the Democratic party as it is MAGA, as these "centrists" incomprehensible position illustrates.

                              CB WrightU This user is from outside of this forum
                              CB WrightU This user is from outside of this forum
                              CB Wright
                              wrote last edited by
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                              @johnzajac @inthehands there _is_ a solution to this - it's not a perfect one or even an easy one... but culturally, one of the things I have always liked about the Democratic Party is that democrats are cheerfully willing to bare knuckle fight other democrats when they disagree.

                              The party has tried to tamp down on this tendency since the Clinton years, but it never goes away. The trick is, though... (sorry, I'm getting long winded, I'm going to need another one of these...)

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                              • CB WrightU CB Wright

                                @johnzajac @inthehands there _is_ a solution to this - it's not a perfect one or even an easy one... but culturally, one of the things I have always liked about the Democratic Party is that democrats are cheerfully willing to bare knuckle fight other democrats when they disagree.

                                The party has tried to tamp down on this tendency since the Clinton years, but it never goes away. The trick is, though... (sorry, I'm getting long winded, I'm going to need another one of these...)

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                                CB Wright
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                                @johnzajac @inthehands ...that the candidates you send in to battle the old guard have a tendency to get diluted. That's sadly very hard to avoid, when the new blood is trying to figure out how to navigate the machinery, but it can be countered by sending even more democrats even further from the old guard immediately after.

                                It's part of what the Republicans did, only they moved in the other direction.

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                                • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                                  UPDATE: I am now seeing reports of Senators calling for the impeachment of Noem.

                                  Good. Fine. Do that. Yay. Put a head on a pike.

                                  My demand upthread doesn’t change. Having a different Trump appointee running ICE will not fix ICE. You can’t fix ICE. Scrap it. Abolish it. Shut it down. This deranged tyrant must not and cannot be allowed to have an unaccountable personal army.

                                  Still, I’m delighted that Senators are scrambling to do something. Keep up the pressure. Keep them all scared.

                                  tessaraktT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  tessarakt
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                                  #71

                                  @inthehands On Day 1, Biden should have written a memo "I have determined that Donald Trump is an alien enemy aligned with Russia.", forced his plane to land while still on route to Mar-a-Lago, and taken him and sent him over to Guantanamo ...

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                                  • Chip ButtyO Chip Butty

                                    @trochee @inthehands @garbados just read the story and it is still the moderate position

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                                    Jeremy Kahn
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                                    @otfrom @inthehands @garbados Yep, we only mulch SOME of the ICE/Miller/Bannon types, and let the oligarchs capture & torture each other

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                                    • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                                      And to be clear, zeroing out the budget, scrapping the DHS, returning its law enforcement duties to local agencies, and prosecuting ICE officers — all of that! — is the •moderate• position here.

                                      The extremist position is violence of a kind and scale I shudder to contemplate.

                                      Pressure them. Rattle them out of their stupor.

                                      /end

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                                      tessarakt
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                                      #73

                                      @inthehands You shouldn't be doing "law enforcement", you should be doing just regular policing instead. Laws being violated is just one kind of risk to public order and security, and it needs to be balanced against other ones.

                                      And I'm appalled that this term has made its way even into EU law, probably through bureaucrats with an insufficient knowledge of English.

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                                      • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                                        And to be clear, zeroing out the budget, scrapping the DHS, returning its law enforcement duties to local agencies, and prosecuting ICE officers — all of that! — is the •moderate• position here.

                                        The extremist position is violence of a kind and scale I shudder to contemplate.

                                        Pressure them. Rattle them out of their stupor.

                                        /end

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                                        Dr. Eric J. Fielding, PhD
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                                        @inthehands I would ask that FEMA be transferred to another department before you shutdown DHS.

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                                        • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                                          And to be clear, zeroing out the budget, scrapping the DHS, returning its law enforcement duties to local agencies, and prosecuting ICE officers — all of that! — is the •moderate• position here.

                                          The extremist position is violence of a kind and scale I shudder to contemplate.

                                          Pressure them. Rattle them out of their stupor.

                                          /end

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                                          @inthehands Cc @SeanCasten

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